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    Police catch killer via 'sketch' from DNA ...Hmmmm

    Hmm...not sure how I feel about this one...it seems this was the perfect case to do it with, as the sketch was close enough to the real murderer to stress him into publicly confessing after it was released

    Yet.....

    I fear the science is too new and you could just as easily come up with a dna generated pic that randomly resembles an innocent person-a very slippery slope it seems to me, what do you all think?

    http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Crime/2.../22768871.html

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    The sketch doesnt resemble it that much, could be any regular white sorority guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    The sketch doesnt resemble it that much, could be any regular white sorority guy.
    Agree.
    While a couple of immediately apparent measures induce a feeling of similarity, a second look brings up those factors that do not fit.
    If this were a CCTV image it would surely be contestable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saetro View Post
    Agree.
    While a couple of immediately apparent measures induce a feeling of similarity, a second look brings up those factors that do not fit.
    If this were a CCTV image it would surely be contestable.
    Indeed, we forget that the environment can affect your physical appearance big time. You can be a big guy or skinny guy, tanned or not, have big beard or hair or even some scars etc that DNA wont register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    The sketch doesnt resemble it that much, could be any regular white sorority guy.
    Guys arenít in a sorority, they are in a fraternity. What have you done! What have you done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surbakhunWeesste View Post
    Guys aren’t in a sorority, they are in a fraternity. What have you done! What have you done.
    (I should get the immigrant pass, not familiar with the culture here :p)

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    The point is to use it as a lead only to put out there and see if anyone recognizes so that police can go to him and verify. There is no way to convict based on that alone. Once suspect found his dna can be compared to what’s at scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurd View Post
    The point is to use it as a lead only to put out there and see if anyone recognizes so that police can go to him and verify. There is no way to convict based on that alone. Once suspect found his dna can be compared to what’s at scene.
    In American law: The danger here is that such a vague sketch could, with the usual persuasion, be accepted by a judge as "probable cause" for a forced DNA test. The police can then deceive the suspect into entering the police station and forcibly test his DNA--without any chance for the suspect or his lawyer to dispute the matter.

    This actually happened recently in an Idaho case. A self-proclaimed genetic genealogy expert asserted, based on an inexact match on slow-moving Y-DNA markers, that the killer must belong to a particular family in the Sorenson database. The police then used such quackery to get a DNA search warrant on a young member of that family. He was tricked into coming into the police station and forced to surrender his DNA, via blood test, without a lawyer. (In American law, a taser or other use of force is permissible in order to execute such a warrant.) His DNA did not actually match the killer's; but the experience of being treated as a murder suspect based on a self-proclaimed expert's blather was terrifying.

    This incident caused Ancestry to close down the Sorenson database entirely.
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