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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    J-Z387 lineages are one of the harder ones to put a theory on, J-L70 is really the difficult one, J-FGC35503 lineages had a large bottleneck 2700 years, it can be a Kura Araxes or Ubaid lineage seeing that oldest samples seem to be Lebanon its likely a Iran Chalco lineage that spread West and South.
    Thanks Principe! It will be interesting in the coming years to see the Y-Tree blossom closer to the genealogical age.

    My subclade under FGC 35503 is J-Z39973 (TMRA 2200 YBP), and using YFull tree, FTDNA projects, and STR matching, potential members seem to largely be a mix of western European and northern Caucasus dwellers. I think we will be able to further define splits as full sequencing becomes more affordable.
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    Maternal G-Grandfather - Briano, Caserta, Italy - Possible R1b - L51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward J View Post
    Thanks Principe! It will be interesting in the coming years to see the Y-Tree blossom closer to the genealogical age.

    My subclade under FGC 35503 is J-Z39973 (TMRA 2200 YBP), and using YFull tree, FTDNA projects, and STR matching, potential members seem to largely be a mix of western European and northern Caucasus dwellers. I think we will be able to further define splits as full sequencing becomes more affordable.
    My Pleasure

    I agree with your points, would also be nice if they find an ancient sample of FGC35503 too would certainly help find the origin.

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    Hi Principe,
    I am a Y37496 from the z6065 you mentioned earlier. We are just now getting on Yfull and there are about 50 of us in the Cluster. My group comes from England along the Welsh Border and some into Scotland. Our closest STR matches are all of the Armenians and some Georgians and ethnic Armenians in Turkey. Any ideas as to why that is? Some research shows that we could be Norman but i would love to know our migration out of Armenia. The Armenian we are closest to in STRs comes from a place that is now central Turkey. We have more big ys coming through that should help the dating.
    Last edited by jkochiss; 01-26-2018 at 03:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkochiss View Post
    Hi Principe,
    I am a Y37496 from the z6065 you mentioned earlier. We are just now getting on Yfull and there are about 50 of us in the Cluster. My group comes from England along the Welsh Border and some into Scotland. Our closest STR matches are all of the Armenians and some Georgians and ethnic Armenians in Turkey. Any ideas as to why that is? Some research shows that we could be Norman but i would love to know our migration out of Armenia. The Armenian we are closest to in STRs comes from a place that is now central Turkey. We have more big y’s coming through that should help the dating.
    Hi jkochiss,

    That is great news to hear that many BigY are on their way!

    Well when it comes to Z6065 branches all seem to be expanding from roughly the same time frame of the Kura Araxes Culture which expanded in all directions East, West and South. So your ancestor could have been in Armenia or East/Central Turkey, maybe the Levant for some time probably until the Roman times, then probably migrated to France (in the case it turns out to be Norman).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Hi jkochiss,

    That is great news to hear that many BigY are on their way!

    Well when it comes to Z6065 branches all seem to be expanding from roughly the same time frame of the Kura Araxes Culture which expanded in all directions East, West and South. So your ancestor could have been in Armenia or East/Central Turkey, maybe the Levant for some time probably until the Roman times, then probably migrated to France (in the case it turns out to be Norman).
    I am also Z6065+ and I belong to the J-YP879* sub-clade.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z6065/

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    I am also Z6065+ and I belong to the J-YP879* sub-clade.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z6065/
    Cool

    Why don’t you put J2a-FGC15901 or YP879 as under your Y-DNA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Cool

    Why don’t you put J2a-FGC15901 or YP879 as under your Y-DNA!
    Done!

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    Thanks to Trojet we have an update on the J2b-L283 from Bronze Age Dalmatia who turned out to be J-Y15058
    Last edited by Principe; 02-23-2018 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Thanks to Trojet we have an update on the J2b-L283 from Bronze Age Dalmatia who turned out to be J-Y15058
    Considering the Bronze Age Dalmatian sample and modern diversity, I think J-L283>>Z2507 (TMRCA 4400 ybp) was already in the (Western) Balkans when it expanded into Z638 and Y15058. If we look at some cultures in the region, I think Vucedol or Cetina would be very good candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    Thanks to Trojet we have an update on the J2b-L283 from Bronze Age Dalmatia who turned out to be J-Y15058
    An early relative of many modern day Albanians.

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