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    Salt-Range/Pothwar Raja DNA results.

    Hello,

    I used 23&me services to get tested and I just want to share my results with you guys.

    Into/history first: I belong to a quintessential salt range/pothwar Rajput tribe. I hail from a village situated in Jhelum district of the Pakistani Punjab. My 28th ancestor Raja Mal Dev embraced Islam in the 12th Century; and I come from the line of his second son Raja Jodh through his decendant Malik Darwesh Khan of Darapur. Being a general in the Mughal imperial army, Malik Darwesh Khan was involved in Mirza Hakim campaign, among many others. The current chief of the tribe also comes from this line.

    Since we accepted Islam such a long time ago, we have been mostly marrying within the tribe for centuries. Outside the tribe, we marry among the Gakhars traditionally and among the Chibhs of Jammu rarely. Within the last 4 generations only one female ancestor(my maternal great mother's mother was a Gakhar) of mine was from outside the tribe. This lady and my 27th Great Grandfather Raja Jodh's mother (also Gakhar) are the only women, that I know for sure, who were from outside the tribe. From this knowledge we can extrapolate that I overwhelmingly belong to just one stock; with slight colorations primarily coming from the Gakhar gene pool.



    Now to my DNA results:

    My Y-DNA haplogroup is R-M417.
    My mtDNA haplogroup is M52a.



    My GenePlaze K-12 admixtures are as follow:

    Western Euro Farmers: 2.2
    Levant: 5.8
    Neolithic Iran CHG: 23.8
    Eastern Euro Farmer: 5.6
    Total Ancient farmer: 37.4

    Scythian: 14.5
    Andronova: 13.5
    Yamnaya: 7.4
    Total Steppe: 35.3

    Southeast Eurasia: 24.3

    East African: 1.9
    Total African: 1.9

    Eastern Non African 1.2




    My Harappa GEDMatch results are as follow:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.96
    2 S-Indian 29.59
    3 Caucasian 14.13
    4 NE-Euro 7.99
    5 SW-Asian 2.38
    6 SE-Asian 1.93
    7 Beringian 1.44
    8 Siberian 1.42
    9 Papuan 0.46
    10 American 0.4
    11 San 0.32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heir of Gandhara View Post
    Hello,

    I used 23&me services to get tested and I just want to share my results with you guys.

    Into/history first: I belong to a quintessential salt range/pothwar Rajput tribe. I hail from a village situated in Jhelum district of the Pakistani Punjab. My 28th ancestor Raja Mal Dev embraced Islam in the 12th Century; and I come from the line of his second son Raja Jodh through his decendant Malik Darwesh Khan of Darapur. Being a general in the Mughal imperial army, Malik Darwesh Khan was involved in Mirza Hakim campaign, among many others. The current chief of the tribe also comes from this line.

    Since we accepted Islam such a long time ago, we have been mostly marrying within the tribe for centuries. Outside the tribe, we marry among the Gakhars traditionally and among the Chibhs of Jammu rarely. Within the last 4 generations only one female ancestor(my maternal great mother's mother was a Gakhar) of mine was from outside the tribe. This lady and my 27th Great Grandfather Raja Jodh's mother (also Gakhar) are the only women, that I know for sure, who were from outside the tribe. From this knowledge we can extrapolate that I overwhelmingly belong to just one stock; with slight colorations primarily coming from the Gakhar gene pool.



    Now to my DNA results:

    My Y-DNA haplogroup is R-M417.
    My mtDNA haplogroup is M52a.



    My GenePlaze K-12 admixtures are as follow:

    Western Euro Farmers: 2.2
    Levant: 5.8
    Neolithic Iran CHG: 23.8
    Eastern Euro Farmer: 5.6
    Total Ancient farmer: 37.4

    Scythian: 14.5
    Andronova: 13.5
    Yamnaya: 7.4
    Total Steppe: 35.3

    Southeast Eurasia: 24.3

    East African: 1.9
    Total African: 1.9

    Eastern Non African 1.2




    My Harappa GEDMatch results are as follow:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.96
    2 S-Indian 29.59
    3 Caucasian 14.13
    4 NE-Euro 7.99
    5 SW-Asian 2.38
    6 SE-Asian 1.93
    7 Beringian 1.44
    8 Siberian 1.42
    9 Papuan 0.46
    10 American 0.4
    11 San 0.32
    Another Punjabi Bhra! R-M417 brotherhood mate.

    About your results, It is very similar to Punjabi Khatris and Arains except you have higher East asian, which is expected of Potohar/kashmir/Jammu region. Other users from that regions score similar. Fairly typical results for a Northern punjabi.

    Here's my K12 results for comparison, I'm Punjabi Sikh tarkhan (also known as Ramgarhia):

    steppe cultures - 38.1%
    karasuk-e scythian (2000-3000 years) - 20.2%
    andronovo-srubnaya (3000-4000 years) - 8.4%
    yamnaya-afanasievo-poltavka (4000-5000 years) - 9.5%

    ancient farmers - 35.0%
    west european farmers (4000-5000 years) - 0.0%
    levant (4000-8000 years) - 5.1%
    neolithic-chalcolithic iran-chg (5000-12000 years) - 15.6%
    east european farmers (5000-8000 years) - 14.3%

    southeast Eurasian - 21.3%

    eastern non africans (modern) - 3.5%

    western european & scandinavian hunter gatherers (4000-5000 years) - 1.0%

    african - 1.0%
    east african (modern) - 0.5%
    west african (modern) - 0.5%

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    Thanks a lot bro!

    Did your family migrate from West Punjab?

    Any insight on why my Neolithic Iran CHG is so high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heir of Gandhara View Post
    Thanks a lot bro!

    Did your family migrate from West Punjab?

    Any insight on why my Neolithic Iran CHG is so high?
    Iran CHG is very ancient in the subcontinent, and seeing the location of Potohar, which is in middle of IVC civilizations, so it is kind of expected. Iran CHG even peaked in some users from South India.

    And my Paternal grandfather moved from Chaman, balochistan. My mom and grandmom are both from East Punjab.

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    We have the same mtDNA. But I was under the impression mine was something in the eastern and northeastern part of subcontinent and also found among the Aeta tribe of Philippines (essentially a Negrito marker). The furthest my direct maternal line I've traced to is Tripura state.

    Fascinating history btw. Welcome to the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redifflal View Post
    We have the same mtDNA. But I was under the impression mine was something in the eastern and northeastern part of subcontinent and also found among the Aeta tribe of Philippines (essentially a Negrito marker). The furthest my direct maternal line I've traced to is Tripura state.

    Fascinating history btw. Welcome to the forum.

    Thanks bro! Apparently women carrying this haplogroup moved east and gradually made their way into the Indo-China region and onward to Philippines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redifflal View Post
    We have the same mtDNA. But I was under the impression mine was something in the eastern and northeastern part of subcontinent and also found among the Aeta tribe of Philippines (essentially a Negrito marker). The furthest my direct maternal line I've traced to is Tripura state.

    Fascinating history btw. Welcome to the forum.
    Yes I recall we had discussed this Aeta connection before.
    There is a post from a Filipino who is P295. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post320578
    His line may be basal to all of us R, Q. I wonder if he is related to the Aeta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heir of Gandhara View Post
    Hello,

    I used 23&me services to get tested and I just want to share my results with you guys.

    Into/history first: I belong to a quintessential salt range/pothwar Rajput tribe. I hail from a village situated in Jhelum district of the Pakistani Punjab. My 28th ancestor Raja Mal Dev embraced Islam in the 12th Century; and I come from the line of his second son Raja Jodh through his decendant Malik Darwesh Khan of Darapur. Being a general in the Mughal imperial army, Malik Darwesh Khan was involved in Mirza Hakim campaign, among many others. The current chief of the tribe also comes from this line.

    Since we accepted Islam such a long time ago, we have been mostly marrying within the tribe for centuries. Outside the tribe, we marry among the Gakhars traditionally and among the Chibhs of Jammu rarely. Within the last 4 generations only one female ancestor(my maternal great mother's mother was a Gakhar) of mine was from outside the tribe. This lady and my 27th Great Grandfather Raja Jodh's mother (also Gakhar) are the only women, that I know for sure, who were from outside the tribe. From this knowledge we can extrapolate that I overwhelmingly belong to just one stock; with slight colorations primarily coming from the Gakhar gene pool.



    Now to my DNA results:

    My Y-DNA haplogroup is R-M417.
    My mtDNA haplogroup is M52a.



    My GenePlaze K-12 admixtures are as follow:

    Western Euro Farmers: 2.2
    Levant: 5.8
    Neolithic Iran CHG: 23.8
    Eastern Euro Farmer: 5.6
    Total Ancient farmer: 37.4

    Scythian: 14.5
    Andronova: 13.5
    Yamnaya: 7.4
    Total Steppe: 35.3

    Southeast Eurasia: 24.3

    East African: 1.9
    Total African: 1.9

    Eastern Non African 1.2




    My Harappa GEDMatch results are as follow:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.96
    2 S-Indian 29.59
    3 Caucasian 14.13
    4 NE-Euro 7.99
    5 SW-Asian 2.38
    6 SE-Asian 1.93
    7 Beringian 1.44
    8 Siberian 1.42
    9 Papuan 0.46
    10 American 0.4
    11 San 0.32
    Are you a Janjua? I was wondering if you are able to test for downstream markers - Y40, Z2124, L657, Y9, Y7 etc.

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    Yes, I am a Janjua. How do I get tested for those markers? Costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heir of Gandhara View Post
    Yes, I am a Janjua. How do I get tested for those markers? Costs?
    A Z93 pack - http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=11867

    I'm on the Y2388 branch (terminal SNP Y2392). https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y9/

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