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  1. #11
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    Hello, my only Genetic Community is Ulster Irish my ethnicity breakdown is 52% Ireland, Scotland, Wales, 37% British, and 6% Scandinavian etc... As you likely know there has always been movement between Scotland and Ulster since at least the DalRiada days. I dunno if Genetic Communities is out of beta, yet, but I know of one Irish guy, here, who is more Celtic and less British etc... Who gets two genetic communities one in Southern England and one in Ulster.

    Here are my Eurogenes k13 results --keep in mind anything 5 and under is related and one can pass as a native of those populations :


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 3.849845
    2 Orcadian @ 4.409239
    3 West_Scottish @ 4.822096
    4 Southwest_English @ 5.392644
    5 North_Dutch @ 5.45871

    k13 is the most accurate calculator for most people of European descent and apparently I can pass as a native of both populations. I have been mistaken for Scottish more than once. It may be the people of Ulster and West Scotland are too closely related for AncestryDNA to differentiate currently.

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Teutorigos; 01-04-2018 at 05:35 AM. Reason: Fix grammar and add comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacUalraig View Post
    'Central Scotland & Ulster, Ireland' pretty much covers it if you look at the map. It's the one I'm in.
    I would agree-- there are actually 5 Ulster Irish communities and "Central Scotland and Ulster, Ireland" is not one as it falls under Scotland, not Ireland. The communities aren't perfect-- even the Irish ones say members come from Ireland/Scotland/Wales and Great Britain because migration & mixing was so common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutorigos View Post
    Hello, my only Genetic Community is Ulster Irish my ethnicity breakdown is 52% Ireland, Scotland, Wales, 37% British, and 6% Scandinavian etc... As you likely know there has always been movement between Scotland and Ulster since at least the DalRiada days. I dunno if Genetic Communities is out of beta, yet, but I know of one Irish guy, here, who is more Celtic and less British etc... Who gets two genetic communities one in Southern England and one in Ulster.

    Here are my Eurogenes k13 results --keep in mind anything 5 and under is related and one can pass as a native of those populations :


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 3.849845
    2 Orcadian @ 4.409239
    3 West_Scottish @ 4.822096
    4 Southwest_English @ 5.392644
    5 North_Dutch @ 5.45871

    k13 is the most accurate calculator for most people of European descent and apparently I can pass as a native of both populations. I have been mistaken for Scottish more than once. It may be the people of Ulster and West Scotland are too closely related for AncestryDNA to differentiate currently.

    Cheers!
    Thanks for that. It looks like there certainly is a definite genetic connection. Maybe I'll do some shorthand and see Ulster Irish and Southwest Scottish as the same ethnicity. You have to make such adjustments for genetic test labeling.

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    Strathclyde Welsh (Briton) history. Quite a few people get SW Scotland as a LivingDNA region with no known ancestry there.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...3YPEq7W2Fzn4Y5

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    Strathclyde Welsh (Briton) history. Quite a few people get SW Scotland as a LivingDNA region with no known ancestry there.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...3YPEq7W2Fzn4Y5
    What a great site! You wonder if the people, in southwest Scotland, have appreciable links to both Dalriada and Strathclyde. I realize that the former wasn't in the exact same region, but it's close enough to have had some impact. It could be that the people, in that region, have two "Celtic strains".

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    The Scottish DNA is closer to the Iberian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic View Post
    I again looked at the categories. The groupings and labels seemed quite arbitrary and convoluted. For example, it was strange that areas in Canada were included with Highlanders. I understand that they were emigrants to parts of Canada, but one could make the same argument for the inclusion of Cape Fear.
    There are definitely many old rural Scottish communities/towns in Ontario, Canada I can attest to that.
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    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
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    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio Delfin Vang B View Post
    The Scottish DNA is closer to the Iberian
    No evidence for that. If anything Scottish is closer to English than Irish (which is more isolated) as many lowlanders, including some Scottish heroes were of Norman, and through earlier ancestry, English ancestry.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Think it depends on the region in Scotland. It would be good to see an aggregate of Scottish people.
    Last edited by Nqp15hhu; 01-11-2019 at 09:30 PM.

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    Sure the south is different than the north of Scotland

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