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    Certainly a mix of apparently non native (English, Old English aka Norman, and Scottish) and native names, mostly non native, though some may be anglicizations. Are these only Cork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascal C View Post
    Certainly a mix of apparently non native (English, Old English aka Norman, and Scottish) and native names, mostly non native, though some may be anglicizations. Are these only Cork?
    These are all the Irish testers in the U152 Project
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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonResearcher View Post
    I have no surnames for the Genographic Project data (which is a huge downside of that dataset) but the U152 project surnames are as follows:

    Platt
    Dillon (me)
    Boals
    Butler
    Grady
    Lyttle
    Maher
    McCarroll/Carroll
    Ballard
    Dalton (similar surname to me but different subclade of L2 before anyone asks!)
    Baird
    McAvity
    Jones
    Fox
    Kennedy
    Collins
    McCarthy
    Barry (seems to be Norman from Flanders)
    Johnston
    Winters
    Landers
    O'Nolan
    Wilson
    Shannon
    Long
    MacKay
    Allan
    Straghan
    McCracken
    Black
    Donachy
    Erskine
    McGill


    By the way, these surnames are publically available on the FTDNA project website so I don't think I am breaching any privacy rules by listing these.
    These are found in Robert Casey's spreadsheet with "Ireland" or "Northern Ireland" in the country column. Many of them you already have. http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/Temp/HG_R_...20170630A.xlsx

    Ireland has a higher percentage of L2 compared to the U152 project as a whole. ~87% Ireland vs 70% as a whole.

    Allan R1b-U152>Z36 Northern Ireland
    Baird R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Ballard R1b-U152 Ireland
    Ballew R1b-U152 Ireland
    Barry R1b-U152>L2>Z49>S8183>Y4356>BY5701 Ireland
    Bell R1b-U152>L2>Z49 Ireland
    Black R1b-U152>L2>L20 Northern Ireland
    Boals R1b-U152>Z384>L20>CTS9733>BY3554 Ireland
    Bowling R1b-U152>L2>L20 Ireland
    Carroll R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Collins R1b-U152>L2>DF103 Ireland
    Connors R1b-U152 Ireland
    Cooley R1b-U152 Ireland
    Craig R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Crozier R1b-U152>Z193>CTS11874 Northern Ireland
    Dalzell R1b-U152>L2 Northern Ireland
    Donachy R1b-U152>L2>L20 Ireland
    Dwan R1b-U152 Ireland
    England R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Ferguson R1b-U152>L2>Z367 Ireland
    Fox R1b-U152>L2>Z367 Ireland
    Grady R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Hannon R1b-U152 Ireland
    Harvey R1b-U152 Northern Ireland
    Hines R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Jackson R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Johns(t)on R1b-U152 Ireland
    Keating R1b-U152 Ireland
    Keenan R1b-U152>L2>Z384>[L144] Ireland
    Kendall R1b-U152>L2>Z384>[L144] Ireland
    Kennedy R1b-U152>Z193>CTS11874 Ireland
    Landers R1b-U152 Ireland
    Love R1b-U152>L2>L20 Ireland
    Lyttle R1b-U152>Z36 Ireland
    MacLaughlin R1b-U152>L2>Z384>[L144] Ireland
    Maher R1b-U152 Ireland
    McCarthy R1b-U152 Ireland
    McDonough R1b-U152>L2>L20 Ireland
    McGill R1b-U152 Northern Ireland
    McGoran R1b-U152>L2>ZZ48_1>FGC10516 Ireland
    McShea R1b-U152>L2>Z384>[L144] Ireland
    Monaghan R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    O'Hair R1b-U152>L2 Northern Ireland
    O'Nolan R1b-U152>PF660>PF6578/Z146 Ireland
    Phelan R1b-U152>L2>Z384>[L144] Ireland
    Ray R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Robbin R1b-U152 Ireland
    Score R1b-U152 Ireland
    Shannon R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Straghan R1b-U152>L2>L20 Northern Ireland
    Taylor R1b-U152>L2>L20 Ireland
    Tully R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Tweedy R1b-U152 Northern Ireland
    Vance R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    White R1b-U152 Ireland
    Willis R1b-U152 Ireland
    Wilson R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    Winter/Winters R1b-U152>L2>L20 Ireland
    Withrow R1b-U152>L2 Northern Ireland
    Wright R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    zUnkName R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    zUnkName R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    zUnkName R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    zUnkName R1b-U152>L2 Ireland
    zUnkName R1b-U152 Ireland
    zUnkName R1b-U152 Ireland


    Also you might want to look through this project'Irish counties https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
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    After thinking on it for a while, I suspect it’s a sampling bias due to the fact that it's mostly American kits being tested. (And after checking with the familial authorities, my L2 Irish line is claimed to have come from Cork as well, but that's all we have).

    It seems like there are 4 potential causes:

    (1) Iron Age migration (2,000BC - 500 BC);
    (2) Roman influence (200BC - 200AD);
    (3) U152 Normans (1171AD-1350AD); and
    (4) English plantation (1550 AD - 1650AD)

    Among these, I would say it's either Roman influence or U152 Normans. Recall that the Romans did try and fail to establish an Irish outpost near Dublin. The military power center was on the east side of the island, between Dublin and Ulster. Roman legions may have done more trading and incidental settlement in the southwest part of the country or even established outposts that were later destroyed or that just haven't been excavated yet. After all, Drumanagh was only "discovered" as a Roman outpost in the 1950s.

    If it were Iron Age migrations, there would be U152 kits peppered throughout the country without regard to political and social events in the modern era. We'd see U152 kits from Ulster, but we apparently do not. And English plantation was significant in the Northern part of the country as well. Though it's possible that, purely as a logistical matter, the English planters that went there were from Northern England and those who went to Southern Ireland came from Southern England (where U152 is concentrated).

    The phenomenon of Irish U152 kits being overwhelmingly from Cork can probably be explained by the following facts:

    1. Cork is a populous county.

    2. The potato famine hit Cork harder than Ulster or Dublin, the other two densely populated parts of Ireland.

    3. The Normans did really well in and around Dublin, so U152 descendants of theirs would have become the urban elites and wouldn't have migrated to the United States. If genetic genealogy takes off in Ireland, I bet we’ll find some U152 kits there.

    4. Meanwhile, the Normans did terribly in Ulster, so you wouldn’t expect any Ulster immigrants to be U152 in the first place.

    5. Those in the Dublin area who did leave were probably more likely to go to Britain or continental Europe, not the United States. Again, as a logistical matter, Cork is the best jumping off point from which to travel to the United States, unless I'm missing something about the lack of ports in Cork County.

    Ergo, among the U152 Irish that came to America during the famine, we should expect them to have come from Cork, just as a matter of population trends. And because it's mostly Americans who are submitting kits, the U152 kits we have are from Cork.

    A couple of maps below to support this explanation. The NW/Connacht region was also hit hard, but this is the least densely populated part of Ireland. It’s also the part of the country that was least accessible to either the Normans or the Romans, and I doubt there are a lot of native Irish submitting kits from that region.

    My knowledge of Irish history is sprinkled, chronologically speaking, so if there are any proximate causes I am not considering, I'm all ears.

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    This has been brought up before...

    Manapii of the Belgae

    Ptolemy reported that the Manapii were located in the east of Ireland, approximately in what is now Co. Wicklow. Although we don't have absolute proof, these have long been recognized by a number of scholars as a branch of the Menapii, a tribe of the Belgae of northern Gaul located about the mouth of the Rhine who fiercely resisted Caesar until 54 B.C. The Menapii also produced Marcus Aurelius Mausaeus Carausius, a prominent military commander of the Roman Empire who declared himself Emperor in 286 A.D. As would be expected as they switched from speaking Gaulish P-Celtic to Irish Q-Celtic, they are known in Ireland in the early historic period as the Manaig, with Monaig and Monach being variations in spelling.

    Over time, the Manapii or Manaig of Ireland trekked north from Leinster (in which Cúigiú or 'Fifth' of Ireland we find Co. Wicklow), leaving their name on Druim Monach ('Drumanagh') and on a ford called Scenmenn Monach in the north of Co. Dublin. They eventually became the Monaig/Manaig in Uí Echach Ulad (west Co. Down) and also in the neighborhood of Loch Éirne ('Lough Erne') in what is now Co. Fermanagh. Later they became known as the Fir Manach. Co. Fermanagh is named after them.

    In Irish seanchas, the Manappi or Manaig are classified as a branch of the Fir Bolg, just as the Menapii were a branch of the Belgae on the Continent. In my opinion, this traditional classification, this traditional association of Manappi and Bolg, defies mere coincidence. In other words, I believe that this classification positively identifies the Manaig of Ireland as Menapii, and the Fir Bolg or Bolg of Ireland as Belgae.
    https://www.irishtribes.com/ailt-art...es-of-ireland/

    Who knows? Maybe there is some truth to it.
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    The 2 Barry of Cork county (FTDNA project) are signalled Y11179/Y11178 and Y13610 sub-branch of Y11178

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y11178/ gives 8 members : one Texan and seven Irishmen (4 Cork, 1Wexford, 1 Clare, 1 unknown county) 850

    R-Y11178 formation 4400 tmrca 850 (about 1100 BP)

    In Ytree , there are 14 members : 12 Barry, 1 Downey, 1 Bell.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_(name)
    The surname Barry has numerous origins :

    In some cases it is an Anglicised form of the Irish Ó Beargha, meaning "descendant of Beargh". The byname Beargh means "plunderer" or "spear-like". In other cases Barry is an Anglicisation of the Irish Ó Báire, meaning "descendant of Báire".[4] In other cases Barry is a patronymic form of the personal name Henry.[2] In such cases, the name is partly derived from the Welsh ap, as is the case of the similar surname Parry, which is in turn derived from the Welsh ap Harry.[11] In other cases, the surname Barry is derived from a place name, sometimes seemingly of Continental origin,[12] and sometimes derived from a British place name, such as Barry, Angus in Scotland.[13]

    The surname Barry, when borne in Ireland, is chiefly derived from the name borne by the Anglo-Norman de Barry family.[14] In Irish, this family's name is rendered de Barra. In Ireland, the surname Barry is most common in Munster and south Leinster. The concentrations of the surname in County Limerick could correspond with the Ó Beargha origin of the name, whilst the concentration of the surname in West Cork could correspond with the Ó Báire origin.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Barry_family
    The seat of the family was in the Cork county.

    There are also 6 Collins of Cork county in the subgroup of theFTDNA project U152> L2> DF103,FGC4183,FGC36277> FGC4166,FGC4220
    15 members including 10 Collins (8 with Irish origin, 2 unknown origin), 3 other names with origin : Dublin-Ireland, USA(Allen) , Romania.

    In Ytree, the same sub-branch is R-P312/S116 > Z40481 > ZZ11 > U152/S28 > L2/S139 > S14469 > S23682 > BY2381 for 1 Collins and 1 Allen .
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    Quote Originally Posted by palamede View Post
    The 2 Barry of Cork county (FTDNA project) are signalled Y11179/Y11178 and Y13610 sub-branch of Y11178

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y11178/ gives 8 members : one Texan and seven Irishmen (4 Cork, 1Wexford, 1 Clare, 1 unknown county) 850

    R-Y11178 formation 4400 tmrca 850 (about 1100 BP)

    In Ytree , there are 14 members : 12 Barry, 1 Downey, 1 Bell.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_(name)
    The surname Barry has numerous origins :

    In some cases it is an Anglicised form of the Irish Ó Beargha, meaning "descendant of Beargh". The byname Beargh means "plunderer" or "spear-like". In other cases Barry is an Anglicisation of the Irish Ó Báire, meaning "descendant of Báire".[4] In other cases Barry is a patronymic form of the personal name Henry.[2] In such cases, the name is partly derived from the Welsh ap, as is the case of the similar surname Parry, which is in turn derived from the Welsh ap Harry.[11] In other cases, the surname Barry is derived from a place name, sometimes seemingly of Continental origin,[12] and sometimes derived from a British place name, such as Barry, Angus in Scotland.[13]

    The surname Barry, when borne in Ireland, is chiefly derived from the name borne by the Anglo-Norman de Barry family.[14] In Irish, this family's name is rendered de Barra. In Ireland, the surname Barry is most common in Munster and south Leinster. The concentrations of the surname in County Limerick could correspond with the Ó Beargha origin of the name, whilst the concentration of the surname in West Cork could correspond with the Ó Báire origin.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Barry_family
    The seat of the family was in the Cork county.
    There is also this project:
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    Irish U152 here too but I'm some distant cousin of L2. I'm the McCarthy above. We have a single Butler match and a few Noonan and Newmans.

    Not sure what our history might be but I imagine that U152 could have come to this island in a few dozen different events and migrations.

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