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    Turks, Mongols what's their "real average DNA " from autosomal studies ?

    By "real" I mean the real average DNA represents that represents the overall population of entire's countries.

    Most of these results are contradicting and unclear. The gedmatch results and kit numbers that this forum provides are generally not very useful because they never measure the overall DNA from the majority's population. Results for Turkish people are 16-18% East Eurasian in some regions with others showing them only 6-8%, 12-15%. For Mongols in similar some results show them as 0-5%, other shows 3-17%.


    TURKS

    See this Turkish result ? I don't even know what's the their average DNA of East Eurasian suppose to be. Can anyone please tell me their REAL average DNA ?




    ( Note: In case you don't know eastern Turkey is inhabited predominant Kurdish people, so I really don't even know if East Turkey represents Turks or the Kurds

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    MONGOLS


    West Eurasian admixture are highest in most western Mongolia to 0% in the most eastern Mongolia. Most of the West Eurasian admixture we see in Mongolian is West Asian and European, other non-Mongolian admixtures is negligible to 0%. Mongolians who live in the most eastern side of the country score 0% West Eurasian admixture. namely the Mongolia provinces of Dornod ( population: 69,552 ) , Sükhbaatar ( Population: (51,344 ) other provinces with (900,000 people total ) score negligible results. Mongolians from the most Western part of Mongolia are 14-19%west Eurasian admixture, and if you include Kazakh-Mongolians than 23-27% . There were Kazakhs and even Uyghurs who migrated to that region in the past. Nearly all the west Eurasian admixture that Mongolian scores are West Asian and European. 0% West Eurasian admixtures in Eastern part of Mongolia, very negligible numbers of West Eurasian admixture 1-5% are in east-central Mongolia , low west Eurasian admixture in central Mongolia 5-10% . between 10-12% West Eurasian are found in Mongolians are found in West central Mongolia






    WEST ASIAN ADMIXTURE

    West Asian admixture is even more common among northwest Han Chinese than in Central-East Mongol. West Asian admixture in Northwest Han is generally 1.2% to 4.7%, the more west the higher it gets.



    EUROPEAN ADMIXTURE

    Again very strongly in western Mongolia but becomes low in central, to negligible to east-central and completely 0% in the most east and southeast, but I'm not even sure if it's from if they are Khalka, although these Khakha make the dominant majority of the population (76%) they are only 1 out 25 Mongol tribes, there are other 25 tribes, some of them have a combination of Mongol-Turkic mix origin and a few of these seems to be Mongolized-Turks rather than Turkified Mongols.




    SOUTH ASIAN ADMIXTURE

    Is generally 0%

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    All Mongols have West Eurasian admixture. Percentages vary depending on the pops used as representing that lineage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    All Mongols have West Eurasian admixture. Percentages vary depending on the pops used as representing that lineage.
    What's the lowest amount of Western admixture you have saw for Mongols?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    All Mongols have West Eurasian admixture. Percentages vary depending on the pops used as representing that lineage.
    There are still some Mongols with 0% western Eurasian admixture but they are strictly in the most eastern part of Mongolia. You can see it doesn't touches on the east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsakhur View Post
    What's the lowest amount of Western admixture you have saw for Mongols?
    I've never once saw a result where most Mongolians score 0% Western Eurasian however there are results of Mongolian individuals that do score 0% West Eurasian and I'm sure they are all from the very eastern part of Mongolia when included in variation study.

    The highest west Eurasian admixture in this study is 17% and the lowest is 0%, most of them all have at least 3-6%. High West Eurasian could be from Mongol Oirats, there are 600,000 Mongolian Oirats in the world and there is 205,000 in Mongolia, almost all of them live in western Mongolia, the Tuvinian who are Mongolized Turkic people who live in the west Mongolia. There are 25 Mongol tribes, some live in the west and others live in east. Kazakhs also live in western Mongolia and they had mixed with Uyghurs, so I would think some western Mongol tribes have mixed with them. It's hard to believe Mongolic tribes living in western Mongolia had not been intermixing with Turkic people.

    Notice the 2 samples with 0%, and a mere 1.3% West Eurasian? half of them are between 0-8% West Eurasian admixture and half of them are between 10-17%.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepowerrangers View Post
    There are still some Mongols with 0% western Eurasian admixture but they are strictly in the most eastern part of Mongolia. You can see it touches on the east.
    No there's not. You don't understand what you're looking at. Even Northern Chinese Han are West Eurasian admixed as are each and every Siberian and Mongolian individual. You need to go and do some basic research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    No there's not. You don't understand what you're looking at. Even Northern Chinese Han are West Eurasian admixed as are each and every Siberian and Mongolian individual. You need to go and do some basic research.
    Did you even look at the genetic map I posted ? It clearly shows West Eurasian admixture doesn't even touches the eastern parts of North China and Mongolia. The Northern Han Chinese and Mongolians living in the East don't show any West Eurasian admixtures as shown from the map and plenty of autosomal DNA studies. Even the Northern Han who do have west Eurasian admixture is extremely negligible to point it doesn't even matter and most likely due to interactions with Hui Chinese. As for Siberians tribes the Nivkhs, Oroqen, Daur also show 0% West Eurasian admixture, other Siberians tribes living in the east generally have either 0% to negligible west eurasian admixtures.

    Let's not try and say that every Northern Han Chinese have west Eurasian admixture until you tested every province especially not just because the members in this forums posted one or two study with such admixture.

    On the very right side of the Han Chinese section, one section shows 22-24% Siberian admixture which is suppose to represent Northern Han Chinese they show 0% West Eurasian admix. It's always the Northern Han that have high Siberian admixture because of intermarrying with many Northern tribes due to conquest and migrations such as the Khitans, Jurchens, Xianbei but these tribes never reached southern China. Southern Chinese with neglible Siberian admixture is properly due to Northern Han migrants going to the South mixing and assimilating with Southern Han Chinese people. You're correct that some Northern Han very tiny west Eurasian admixture and it makes sense because Hui Chinese muslim population live mostly in the west (just like the map shows ). Hui Chinese married and assimilated a lot with Han especially during the cultural revolution of China around the 1950's around millions of them have assimilated into Han ethnicity. A section of Mongols also showing 0% West Eurasian admixture. ( I did my research a long time ago )




    I'm not going to say this genetic chart should represent everything because even the Turkmen here only shows 16-32% East Asian/Siberian admixture where as in other studies they show from 25-48% and 21-57% so it contradicts it completely. I obviously varies from region and region and it's makes sense considering the fact that some regions of Turkmenistan have a longer history of being associated with being Tajikistan and having a much higher Persian/Iranian population in southern parts of Turkmenistan.
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    The Northern Chinese from the Western China having west Eurasian admixture is not surprising. The Northern provinces living in the west have a much larger Hui Chinese population while the east have less than 1%

    For example in the province of Gansu the demographic population is like this.

    Han: 91%
    Hui: 5%
    Dongxiang: 2%
    Tibetan: 2%


    Qinghai

    composition Han - 54%
    Tibetan - 21%
    Hui - 16%
    Tu - 4%



    The tribes that have west Eurasian admixture for sure are the Hui Chinese, Dongxiang, Tu people however I doubt the others rarely marries with Han and have neglible west Eurasian and population. Hui Chinese have a history of marrying with Han Chinese and identifying with Han Chinese. Hui Chinese have substantial west Eurasian admixture as proven from mtDNA and Y-DNA. Although physically they are almost indistinguishable from Han Chinese they are still around 15-23% West Eurasian ( genetically not phenotypes ).

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