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    The Finnish connection ?

    Firstly which is more relevant admixture proportions by chromosome or the chromosome painting?

    On Eurogenes 12b I supposedly have 0.5% Finnish for chr 7 but get the following chromosome painting.


    Chromosome 7 eurogenes 12b Finnish.PNG

    Using phased results for my parents(Father-raw data uploaded to Gedmatch. Mother dead,never tested) . There is the following for chr 18(10.2 admixture by proportion). This indicates a sizeable chunk of Finnish in the chromosome painting from both sides.

    Chromosome 18 Finnish father phased eurogenes 12b.PNG
    rsz_chromosome_18_finnish_mother_phased_eurogenes_12b.png
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    What color is the Finnish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by therrien.joel View Post
    What color is the Finnish?
    The largish chunk of light blue.
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    Something tells me that maybe other Scandinavian is also getting assigned to the Finnish? I thought it was common for the English to see some of that in their admixture. But that is a sizable chunk for sure.

    As for whether the percentage by chromosome or the painting is more accurate. I don't fully understand the percentage by chromosome yet. I have seen it accumulate a largeish percentage for a component that barely shows up in the paintings.

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    Dad got a big helping of West Finnic in K47, and I don't really know where it came from, genealogically. It seems to be part of a northern Euro continuum, but it also seems odd given his relatively low neighboring Scandi-Germanic.


    18.30% North-Sea_Germanic
    15.10% Celtic
    9.49% West-Finnic
    9.30% North-Iberian
    8.78% East-Euro
    6.54% Scando-Germanic
    5.28% West-Med
    3.83% Paleo-Balkan
    3.29% Central-Med
    3.26% Baltic
    3.09% East-Iberian
    2.80% Arabic [Ashkenazi]
    2.69% East-Med [Ashkenazi]
    2.61% North-Caucasian
    2.42% South-Caucasian
    2.28% North-African [Ashkenazi]
    0.46% Iranian
    0.46% NW-Indian
    0.01% South-African_HG
    0.01% Meso-Amerind


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    Dewsloth Dad

    9.30% North-Iberian
    3.09% East-Iberian

    0.00% Tibeto-Burman
    2.28% North-African
    2.42% South-Caucasian
    2.61% North-Caucasian
    3.83% Paleo-Balkan

    0.00% Turkic-Altai
    0.00% Proto-Austronesian
    0.00% Nilotic
    2.69% East-Med
    0.00% Omotic
    0.00% Munda
    0.00% North-Amerind
    2.80% Arabic
    8.78% East-Euro

    0.00% Central-African_HG
    0.00% Andean
    0.00% Indo-Chinese
    0.00% South-Indian
    0.00% NE-Asian
    0.00% Volgan
    0.00% Mongolian
    0.00% Siberian
    18.30% North-Sea_Germanic
    15.10% Celtic

    0.00% West-African
    0.00% Kushitic
    9.49% West-Finnic
    0.00% Uralic
    0.00% Sahelian
    0.46% NW-Indian
    0.00% East-African_HG
    0.00% East-Asian
    0.00% Amuro-Manchurian
    6.54% Scando-Germanic
    0.46% Iranian
    0.01% South-African_HG
    0.00% Amazonian
    3.26% Baltic
    0.00% Malay
    0.01% Meso-Amerind
    0.00% South-Chinese
    0.00% Papuan
    5.28% West-Med
    0.00% Pamirian
    3.29% Central-Med
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    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by therrien.joel View Post
    Something tells me that maybe other Scandinavian is also getting assigned to the Finnish? I thought it was common for the English to see some of that in their admixture. But that is a sizable chunk for sure.

    As for whether the percentage by chromosome or the painting is more accurate. I don't fully understand the percentage by chromosome yet. I have seen it accumulate a largeish percentage for a component that barely shows up in the paintings.
    It does seem to be a lot of Finnish so you could be right about the Scandinavian. Smallish amounts of Finnish, above noise level but below 10%, appear with dna tribes,my heritage and dna land(23andMe data) . My origins has it as a trace region <2%.

    Doug McDonald gave the following.

    Spain= 0.164 Irish= 0.836 or
    French= 0.292 Irish= 0.708 or
    Irish= 0.865 Tuscan= 0.135 or
    English= 0.875 Russian= 0.125 or
    Irish= 0.844 Italian= 0.156 or
    English= 0.867 Finland= 0.133 or
    French= 0.669 Finland= 0.331 or
    English= 0.932 Chuvash= 0.068 or
    Irish= 0.418 English= 0.582 or
    Irish= 0.928 Sardinia= 0.072
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    Firstly which is more relevant admixture proportions by chromosome or the chromosome painting?

    On Eurogenes 12b I supposedly have 0.5% Finnish for chr 7 but get the following chromosome painting.


    Chromosome 7 eurogenes 12b Finnish.PNG

    Using phased results for my parents(Father-raw data uploaded to Gedmatch. Mother dead,never tested) . There is the following for chr 18(10.2 admixture by proportion). This indicates a sizeable chunk of Finnish in the chromosome painting from both sides.

    Chromosome 18 Finnish father phased eurogenes 12b.PNG
    rsz_chromosome_18_finnish_mother_phased_eurogenes_12b.png
    It is pretty simple to figure out if it is actual Finnish ancestry or not, all you have to do is to look for multiple Finnish matches on that location (or any location for that matter). Because the Finnish genepool is very limited and have experienced drift. As a result, the general rule is that if you have any Finnish ancestry, you will get multiple overlapping Finnish matches on the same segment/s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    It is pretty simple to figure out if it is actual Finnish ancestry or not, all you have to do is to look for multiple Finnish matches on that location (or any location for that matter). Because the Finnish genepool is very limited and have experienced drift. As a result, the general rule is that if you have any Finnish ancestry, you will get multiple overlapping Finnish matches on the same segment/s.
    Then Finnish ancestry seems to be out of the question though something is pulling me towards Finnish.

    I get the following using .fi addresses:

    Chr 1 0.8-3

    T559070- but has little Finnish
    T223189

    Chr 9

    T910097
    T401305

    Chr 19 8-12

    T588698
    T087741
    T558850

    My kit is T1135327. Those segment matches don't seem to be in Finnish areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    Then Finnish ancestry seems to be out of the question though something is pulling me towards Finnish.

    I get the following using .fi addresses:

    Chr 1 0.8-3

    T559070- but has little Finnish
    T223189

    Chr 9

    T910097
    T401305

    Chr 19 8-12

    T588698
    T087741
    T558850

    My kit is T1135327. Those segment matches don't seem to be in Finnish areas.
    I was going to do a quick check for you using the trick of searching for .fi email addresses in your one-to-many matches, but the kit# you posted isn't valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therrien.joel View Post
    I was going to do a quick check for you using the trick of searching for .fi email addresses in your one-to-many matches, but the kit# you posted isn't valid.
    My fault- dodgy typing fingers ! T113527
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