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  1. #31
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    Hey, not Gujarati Muslim myself but my scores are very similar to them which I find kind of odd since my family has been in Punjab for as long as I have known

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.73
    2 S-Indian 35.02
    3 Caucasian 11.61
    4 NE-Euro 4.95
    5 SW-Asian 3.25
    6 Siberian 2.24
    7 NE-Asian 1.83
    8 Mediterranean 1.39
    9 American 1.24


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 3.942516
    2 up-muslim_harappa @ 4.824886
    3 punjabi_harappa @ 5.315229
    4 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 6.492537
    5 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 6.716855
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 6.771575
    7 kashmiri_harappa @ 7.386140
    8 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 7.532884
    9 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 7.576984
    10 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 7.621275
    11 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 7.693438
    12 punjabi-arain_xing @ 9.460415
    13 nepali_harappa @ 9.585712
    14 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 9.834503
    15 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 10.612800
    16 up-brahmin_harappa @ 10.701252
    17 sindhi_harappa @ 10.757343
    18 nepalese-a_xing @ 10.778019
    19 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 11.233465
    20 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 11.234026

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  3. #32
    Gujarati muslim here and these are my gedmatch harappa oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 44.54
    2 Baloch 36.7
    3 Caucasian 8.45
    4 NE-Euro 3.2
    5 Siberian 2
    6 Mediterranean 1.73
    7 SE-Asian 1.11
    8 American 0.69
    9 Pygmy 0.68
    10 NE-Asian 0.62
    11 W-African 0.29

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 tn-brahmin (xing) 4.25
    2 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 4.29
    3 maharashtrian (harappa) 4.49
    4 meghawal (reich) 4.75
    5 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 5.03
    6 rajasthani (harappa) 5.11
    7 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 5.32
    8 gujarati (harappa) 5.56
    9 kerala-christian (harappa) 5.78
    10 gujarati-b (hapmap) 5.86
    11 bihari-muslim (harappa) 5.91
    12 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 5.97
    13 kerala-nair (harappa) 6.11
    14 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 6.12
    15 ap-brahmin (xing) 6.55
    16 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 7.05
    17 up (harappa) 7.28
    18 vaish (reich) 7.78
    19 cochin-jew (behar) 7.85
    20 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 8.26

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 64.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 35.6% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 2.14
    2 84.3% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 15.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.27
    3 67.6% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 32.4% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.29
    4 81.3% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 18.7% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.36
    5 83.1% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 16.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.38
    6 84.5% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 15.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.4
    7 84.5% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 15.5% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.44
    8 82.6% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 17.4% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.46
    9 55.7% velama (metspalu) + 44.3% kashmiri (harappa) @ 2.51
    10 69.6% karnataka (harappa) + 30.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.53
    11 58.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 41.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.54
    12 58.7% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 41.3% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 2.58
    13 62.4% tamil-vellalar (harappa) + 37.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.59
    14 95.5% tn-brahmin (xing) + 4.5% georgian (behar) @ 2.59
    15 95.4% tn-brahmin (xing) + 4.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.6
    16 51.5% velama (reich) + 48.5% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 2.61
    17 82.8% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 17.2% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.61
    18 80.6% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 19.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.62
    19 72.7% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 27.3% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.62
    20 82.8% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 17.2% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.63

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    Quote Originally Posted by coin View Post
    Gujarati muslim here and these are my gedmatch harappa oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 44.54
    2 Baloch 36.7
    3 Caucasian 8.45
    4 NE-Euro 3.2
    5 Siberian 2
    6 Mediterranean 1.73
    7 SE-Asian 1.11
    8 American 0.69
    9 Pygmy 0.68
    10 NE-Asian 0.62
    11 W-African 0.29

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 tn-brahmin (xing) 4.25
    2 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 4.29
    3 maharashtrian (harappa) 4.49
    4 meghawal (reich) 4.75
    5 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 5.03
    6 rajasthani (harappa) 5.11
    7 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 5.32
    8 gujarati (harappa) 5.56
    9 kerala-christian (harappa) 5.78
    10 gujarati-b (hapmap) 5.86
    11 bihari-muslim (harappa) 5.91
    12 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 5.97
    13 kerala-nair (harappa) 6.11
    14 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 6.12
    15 ap-brahmin (xing) 6.55
    16 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 7.05
    17 up (harappa) 7.28
    18 vaish (reich) 7.78
    19 cochin-jew (behar) 7.85
    20 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 8.26

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 64.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 35.6% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 2.14
    2 84.3% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 15.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.27
    3 67.6% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 32.4% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.29
    4 81.3% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 18.7% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.36
    5 83.1% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 16.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.38
    6 84.5% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 15.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.4
    7 84.5% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 15.5% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.44
    8 82.6% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 17.4% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.46
    9 55.7% velama (metspalu) + 44.3% kashmiri (harappa) @ 2.51
    10 69.6% karnataka (harappa) + 30.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.53
    11 58.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 41.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.54
    12 58.7% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 41.3% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 2.58
    13 62.4% tamil-vellalar (harappa) + 37.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.59
    14 95.5% tn-brahmin (xing) + 4.5% georgian (behar) @ 2.59
    15 95.4% tn-brahmin (xing) + 4.6% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.6
    16 51.5% velama (reich) + 48.5% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 2.61
    17 82.8% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 17.2% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.61
    18 80.6% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 19.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.62
    19 72.7% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 27.3% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.62
    20 82.8% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 17.2% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.63
    You've got a good amount of Caucasian but Med is roughly average and no SW Asian, so I'm hesitant to consider any foreign ancestry just from those results. Could you post the 4X oracles?

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    Welcome to the forum.

    Whereabouts in Gujarat are you from? Do you know much about your family background?
    Paternal; Y-DNA: R1a-L657> Y6> Y11> Y920*
    Paternal; mtDNA: M5b'c
    Maternal; Y-DNA: R1a-L657> Y6
    Maternal; mtDNA: M4b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    You've got a good amount of Caucasian but Med is roughly average and no SW Asian, so I'm hesitant to consider any foreign ancestry just from those results. Could you post the 4X oracles?
    scores similar to some patel samples.

  8. #36
    Yep, I don't see any obvious foreign ancestry either especially compared to the other results in this thread. I'm new to all this but it's super interesting! Here are my oracle 4 results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 44.54
    2 Baloch 36.70
    3 Caucasian 8.45
    4 NE-Euro 3.20
    5 Siberian 2.00
    6 Mediterranean 1.73

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 tn-brahmin_xing @ 4.602316
    2 brahmin-tamil-nadu_metspalu @ 4.624806
    3 maharashtrian_harappa @ 4.851401
    4 meghawal_reich @ 5.179111
    5 karnataka-brahmin_harappa @ 5.502298
    6 rajasthani_harappa @ 5.552438
    7 goan_harappa @ 5.575275
    8 iyer-brahmin_harappa @ 5.805268
    9 gujarati_harappa @ 6.083461
    10 kerala-christian_harappa @ 6.180724
    11 gujarati-b_hapmap @ 6.431409
    12 bihari-muslim_harappa @ 6.452988
    13 iyengar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.552402
    14 kerala-nair_harappa @ 6.684966
    15 up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 6.762043
    16 kerala_harappa @ 7.031962
    17 ap-brahmin_xing @ 7.230569
    18 meena_metspalu @ 7.262119
    19 singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 7.760932
    20 up_harappa @ 7.982229

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% kashmiri-pandit_reich +50% velama_reich @ 2.711981


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% ap-hyderabad_harappa +25% gujarati-patel_harappa +25% kalash_hgdp @ 2.041359


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp @ 2.041359
    2 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp @ 2.091811
    3 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + kalash_hgdp @ 2.216562
    4 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + lambadi_metspalu + velama_reich @ 2.323991
    5 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-reddy_harappa + kalash_hgdp + lambadi_metspalu @ 2.326804
    6 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + tamil_harappa @ 2.328082
    7 kalash_hgdp + kerala-christian_harappa + lambadi_metspalu + velama_reich @ 2.330492
    8 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + tamil_harappa @ 2.349609
    9 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + lambadi_metspalu + velama_metspalu @ 2.354078
    10 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + meena_metspalu + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 2.364992
    11 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-reddy_harappa + kalash_hgdp @ 2.373680
    12 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kashmiri_harappa + meena_metspalu + velama_reich @ 2.380542
    13 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.381093
    14 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + tamil-vellalar_harappa + tn-brahmin_xing @ 2.382991
    15 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + karnataka_harappa + lambadi_metspalu @ 2.398055
    16 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kurumba_metspalu + meena_metspalu @ 2.403162
    17 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.407697
    18 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + meena_metspalu + piramalai-kallar_metspalu @ 2.409157
    19 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + rajasthani_harappa + velama_reich @ 2.409314
    20 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + singapore-indian-b_sgvp + velama_reich @ 2.414854

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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    scores similar to some patel samples.
    Probably outliers? The Patel average on harappa has no Caucasian(just Baloch) and low to no NE-Euro.
    Quote Originally Posted by coin View Post
    Yep, I don't see any obvious foreign ancestry either especially compared to the other results in this thread. I'm new to all this but it's super interesting! Here are my oracle 4 results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 44.54
    2 Baloch 36.70
    3 Caucasian 8.45
    4 NE-Euro 3.20
    5 Siberian 2.00
    6 Mediterranean 1.73

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 tn-brahmin_xing @ 4.602316
    2 brahmin-tamil-nadu_metspalu @ 4.624806
    3 maharashtrian_harappa @ 4.851401
    4 meghawal_reich @ 5.179111
    5 karnataka-brahmin_harappa @ 5.502298
    6 rajasthani_harappa @ 5.552438
    7 goan_harappa @ 5.575275
    8 iyer-brahmin_harappa @ 5.805268
    9 gujarati_harappa @ 6.083461
    10 kerala-christian_harappa @ 6.180724
    11 gujarati-b_hapmap @ 6.431409
    12 bihari-muslim_harappa @ 6.452988
    13 iyengar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.552402
    14 kerala-nair_harappa @ 6.684966
    15 up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 6.762043
    16 kerala_harappa @ 7.031962
    17 ap-brahmin_xing @ 7.230569
    18 meena_metspalu @ 7.262119
    19 singapore-indian-b_sgvp @ 7.760932
    20 up_harappa @ 7.982229

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% kashmiri-pandit_reich +50% velama_reich @ 2.711981


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% ap-hyderabad_harappa +25% gujarati-patel_harappa +25% kalash_hgdp @ 2.041359


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp @ 2.041359
    2 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp @ 2.091811
    3 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + kalash_hgdp @ 2.216562
    4 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + lambadi_metspalu + velama_reich @ 2.323991
    5 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-reddy_harappa + kalash_hgdp + lambadi_metspalu @ 2.326804
    6 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + tamil_harappa @ 2.328082
    7 kalash_hgdp + kerala-christian_harappa + lambadi_metspalu + velama_reich @ 2.330492
    8 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + tamil_harappa @ 2.349609
    9 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + lambadi_metspalu + velama_metspalu @ 2.354078
    10 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + meena_metspalu + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 2.364992
    11 ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-hyderabad_harappa + ap-reddy_harappa + kalash_hgdp @ 2.373680
    12 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kashmiri_harappa + meena_metspalu + velama_reich @ 2.380542
    13 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kalash_hgdp + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.381093
    14 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + tamil-vellalar_harappa + tn-brahmin_xing @ 2.382991
    15 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + karnataka_harappa + lambadi_metspalu @ 2.398055
    16 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kurumba_metspalu + meena_metspalu @ 2.403162
    17 ap-hyderabad_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kalash_hgdp + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.407697
    18 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + meena_metspalu + piramalai-kallar_metspalu @ 2.409157
    19 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + rajasthani_harappa + velama_reich @ 2.409314
    20 ap-hyderabad_harappa + kalash_hgdp + singapore-indian-b_sgvp + velama_reich @ 2.414854
    Agreed. you should post results from other calculators on those threads-that may make it clearer

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  12. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Welcome to the forum.

    Whereabouts in Gujarat are you from? Do you know much about your family background?
    I'm from Ahmedabad and I know both my parents families/ancestors have been in the city for the past 100 years or so (possibly longer). Don't know anything beyond that unfortunately.

    Edit: I'm also an ismaili bohra if that helps with context.
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