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    Breton/French Result.

    With his permission, below are the results of a chap who is French born and says his maternal known ancestry is entirely Breton, he says "from the 1500's" and on the paternal side French although the name of a great great grandfather ( living around 1861) is unknown. He is particularly baffled by his South and South East England percentages.
    Just thought it might be of interest.
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    Europe 98.8%
    Great Britain and Ireland 83.1%
    Southeast England 21%
    Devon 14.1%
    South England 12.5%
    Ireland 9.6%
    Cornwall 5.3%
    East Anglia 5.3%
    Central England 4.9%
    Aberdeenshire 2.5%
    South Wales 2.4%
    Orkney 2.1%
    Cumbria 1.7%
    North Wales 1.6%
    Europe (North and West) 11.5%
    Scandinavia 10.2%
    France 1.3%
    Europe (South) 4.2%
    Tuscany 3.1%
    Sardinia 1.1%
    Asia (Central) 1.2%
    Northwest Caucasus 1.2%

    His "Ancestry" test results he describes as very similar :-
    "The DNA result was Great Britain 56%- Ireland/Scotland/Wales 19%- Scandinavia 7%- European Jewish 5%.
    Only 2% Europe West (France probably) and some percent of Europe South-Iberian Peninsula-Finland-Caucasus."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    With his permission, below are the results of a chap who is French born and says his maternal known ancestry is entirely Breton, he says "from the 1500's" and on the paternal side French although the name of a great great grandfather ( living around 1861) is unknown. He is particularly baffled by his South and South East England percentages.
    Just thought it might be of interest.
    Living DNA
    Europe 98.8%
    Great Britain and Ireland 83.1%
    Southeast England 21%
    Devon 14.1%
    South England 12.5%
    Ireland 9.6%
    Cornwall 5.3%
    East Anglia 5.3%
    Central England 4.9%
    Aberdeenshire 2.5%
    South Wales 2.4%
    Orkney 2.1%
    Cumbria 1.7%
    North Wales 1.6%
    Europe (North and West) 11.5%
    Scandinavia 10.2%
    France 1.3%
    Europe (South) 4.2%
    Tuscany 3.1%
    Sardinia 1.1%
    Asia (Central) 1.2%
    Northwest Caucasus 1.2%

    His "Ancestry" test results he describes as very similar :-
    "The DNA result was Great Britain 56%- Ireland/Scotland/Wales 19%- Scandinavia 7%- European Jewish 5%.
    Only 2% Europe West (France probably) and some percent of Europe South-Iberian Peninsula-Finland-Caucasus."

    Y DNA R-U152 subclade R-L 20
    MtDNA H2a2
    I have three grandparents from Belfast and one French Canadian grandmother. Her ancestry on paper shows mostly Bretagne and Normandy, but there is also a line from Auvergne.

    I get Tuscany 10.6% / France 5% / Iberian 1.6%. I also get GB and Ireland 79.6% / East Anglia 16.4% / South Central England 5.5% and Devon 4%.
    Y-DNA R-DF23>ZP149>ZP171 MDKA Thomas Doherty, b. 1825, Three Trees, Donegal, Ireland.
    mtDNA T2g1 MDKA Francoise Arguin, b. 1698, Camaret-Sur-Mer, Bretagne, France

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    I am v curious as to whether the resemblance to The isles of Bretons is specific to Brittany or a general NW France thing. So we have any Normandy people? I have a hunch they would be v similar

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    I am v curious as to whether the resemblance to The isles of Bretons is specific to Brittany or a general NW France thing. So we have any Normandy people? I have a hunch they would be v similar
    My guess would Northern France would be quite similar to Southern England, maybe a little closer to Wales, Cornwall and parts of Ireland from Brittany.
    Pity there is such a shortage of French results.

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    I already gave my results of Living DNA, but I can give again for this thread:
    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/...living-dna.htm

    All my ancestors come from one region:
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    Y haplogroup: R1b: L21 --> DF13 --> BY145002
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    Definitely would have thought there would be a higher percentage from Cornwall and Devon for both Tolan and this Half Breton... A stronger Welsh connection too.
    This ties in to LucaszM's K47 result for Helgene's Cousin who is half Breton - and got a higher percentage in "North Sea Germanic" than "Celtic". North Sea Germanic in this K47 contains SE English samples, so I think we're seeing a match with that again as we do here. These results may hint at Bretons not being what we originally perceived them to be? Who knows.. hopefully France will open up more to the commercial DNA testing world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Definitely would have thought there would be a higher percentage from Cornwall and Devon for both Tolan and this Half Breton... A stronger Welsh connection too.
    This ties in to LucaszM's K47 result for Helgene's Cousin who is half Breton - and got a higher percentage in "North Sea Germanic" than "Celtic". North Sea Germanic in this K47 contains SE English samples, so I think we're seeing a match with that again as we do here. These results may hint at Bretons not being what we originally perceived them to be? Who knows.. hopefully France will open up more to the commercial DNA testing world.
    Yeah they are interesting results, I too would have thought a much higher Cornwall, Devon percentage.

    As a comparison with the K36 nMonte LukaszM ran for me. I got a higher percentage in Brittany, than Scotland and NI

    England_South-West 57.25
    FR_Brittany 16.35
    Scotland 15.55
    Northern_Ireland 3.00
    Hessen 2.45
    Dutch_Drenthe 1.90
    FR_Basque 1.85
    North_Holland_&_Friesland 0.90
    Dutch_Gelderland 0.40
    País_Vasco 0.15
    Dutch_Limburg 0.10
    Niedersachsen 0.05
    Ireland 0.05

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    Quote Originally Posted by timberwolf View Post
    Yeah they are interesting results, I too would have thought a much higher Cornwall, Devon percentage.

    As a comparison with the K36 nMonte LukaszM ran for me. I got a higher percentage in Brittany, than Scotland and NI

    England_South-West 57.25
    FR_Brittany 16.35
    Scotland 15.55
    Northern_Ireland 3.00
    Hessen 2.45
    Dutch_Drenthe 1.90
    FR_Basque 1.85
    North_Holland_&_Friesland 0.90
    Dutch_Gelderland 0.40
    País_Vasco 0.15
    Dutch_Limburg 0.10
    Niedersachsen 0.05
    Ireland 0.05
    I'd like to see the K36 Oracle results for the Half Breton to see if they get a high Cornish similarity... I'd like to see Tolan's as well.
    @Tolan could you get and post your K36 Oracle here perhaps?
    @JohnHowellsTyrfro Any chance you could get this individuals K36 results (using his ancestry DNA data)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    I'd like to see the K36 Oracle results for the Half Breton to see if they get a high Cornish similarity... I'd like to see Tolan's as well.
    @Tolan could you get and post your K36 Oracle here perhaps?
    @JohnHowellsTyrfro Any chance you could get this individuals K36 results (using his ancestry DNA data)?
    My cousin's results with K36 ( Half Breton Half Norman)

    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 5.22
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 3.79
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 2.57
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 9.72
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian 4.75
    French 7.03
    Iberian 20.62

    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 11.53
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 13.56
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 19.02
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 2.19
    Last edited by Helgenes50; 01-09-2018 at 06:23 AM.
    Recent Ancestry, full Normand. Known Genealogy 7/8 of the Cotentin peninsula 1/8 region of Coutances. Unfortunately, there are many missing branches on the maternal side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    My cousin's results with K36 ( Half Breton Half Norman)

    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 5.22
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 3.79
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 2.57
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 9.72
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian 4.75
    French 7.03
    Iberian 20.62
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 11.53
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 13.56
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 19.02
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 2.19
    Mine as a comparison

    opulation
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 4.25
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 3.23
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.75
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 1.89
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 6.85
    Fennoscandian 6.76
    French 11.48
    Iberian 16.05
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 7.90
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 19.95
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 19.88
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

    The first thing I noticed is, I get a higher French score, then someone, who is actually French.

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