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    Danubius could be Celtic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravetto-Danubian View Post
    Danubius could be Celtic
    If Danibius is Celtic, then Don and Donets are also Celtic. Don/Dan in Ossetian is literally water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    I've heard a lot of people say this, but how do we know? I've also heard some say they could be ancestors of the Slavs.

    I read an interesting article about it:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/borisso...-language/amp/

    Any thoughts?
    A fascinating breakdown of Scythians and Sarmatians using Gedmatch 3 party calculator-



    Breakdown of Scythians and Sarmatians using admix showing Steppe cluster R1b-Z2103+- Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka-Sarmatian




    Ossetian- East Iranic speaking ydna Project
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

    The Project is open to all Ossetians. Please join the Ossetian DNA Project if your father’s direct paternal line or your mother’s direct maternal line is Ossetian. The Ossetian DNA Project is intended as a useful tool for Ossetians who would like to research their family history and their deep ancestry through genetic testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    If Danibius is Celtic, then Don and Donets are also Celtic. Don/Dan in Ossetian is literally water.
    "Don" (et sim.) could very well be more ancient (in IE lexical material) than its Iranic, Celtic or Thracian forms. I very much doubt that the Herodotan "Borys-thenes" is specifically Iranic. There are plenty of genuinely Iranic hydronyms in Eastern Ukraine whose interpretation has always been very clear. And the Russian Don is almost certainly also Iranic (NB. Note that its alternate Maeotic (Indic?) name was the Sind). But Dnister is more problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Depends which camp one sits in.........Sycthians and Sarmatians are the same ethnic people or they are different to each other

    History states that the Goths absorbed the sarmatians on their march to the black sea, but did not absorb the scythians............the huns absorbed the sycthians and pushed these Goth/sarmatians towards the Roman empire. ........................depends who wrote the history , depends on who is who

    my opinion for what its worth is that sarmatians are eastern europeans and scythians are central asians/iranic people
    I am of the same mind. Sarmatians probably had more Z280, and some M458 and Z93. Whereas Scythians were richer in Z93. Has any ADNA been discovered for Sarmatians>?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    That's because southern Ukraine and southern Russia were settled by Slavs in the last 200 years or so. As per popular hypothesis Slavs spread north, west and the Balkans from Ukraine beginning in 6AD onwards ie after assimilation of Iranic, if there was such assimilation.
    I thought Slavic tribes spread from Poland? or was it somewhere North East in Europe? Didn't they come down from the Danube into the Balkans? I can;t seem to find where they spread from Ukraine. If thats the case. R1a in that area would be fairly native.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Slavs might have adopted elements of Sarmatian culture hence "Veneti have borrowed largely from Sarmatian ways" (Tacitus), "Venadi Sarmatae" (Tabula Peutingeriana), autosomally Slavic Avars (see previous page) without significant input of any Asian population in their genetic composition. It seems a bit strange that all those supposedly Asian nomadic tribes left no genetic trace in Europe, e.g. in spite of Winidi mixing with the Avars/Huns (Fredegar)...unless they weren't Asians after all. Let's wait for more aDNA.
    Its always possible that some of these "asian" tribes could have resembled modern Kavkaz folk. Aren't the original Avar still in Kavkaz today? I have seen some pretty Slavic looking peoples among the native Avars. Maybe genetics were not that different back then. Wait for more aDNA is right. It could also be that the remains of the Avar discovered represent the genetics of a paternally descended Avar with native Slavic DNA? Werent the Avars ruling the Slavs for some time? Maybe by the time the Avaro-Slavs invaded the Balkans, the Avar elite themselves were already indistinguishable from the rest(due to intermarriages and what not)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Its always possible that some of these "asian" tribes could have resembled modern Kavkaz folk. Aren't the original Avar still in Kavkaz today? I have seen some pretty Slavic looking peoples among the native Avars. Maybe genetics were not that different back then. Wait for more aDNA is right. It could also be that the remains of the Avar discovered represent the genetics of a paternally descended Avar with native Slavic DNA? Werent the Avars ruling the Slavs for some time? Maybe by the time the Avaro-Slavs invaded the Balkans, the Avar elite themselves were already indistinguishable from the rest(due to intermarriages and what not)?
    Caucasian Avar is false name similarity to ancient Avars. There live in Dagestan even Andishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andi_people
    They aren't connected to Andids from Peru
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    I do not know you have noticed that the oldest known Sarmata is r1b-z2103. PR3, PR9, EarlySarmatian, 500-100 BC http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615

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