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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur Dincer View Post
    Yeah, also Balkan Turkish and Crimean Turkish (not to be confused with the Crimean Tatar language) speakers in the Balkans and Crimea respectively, Chuvash, Volga and Astrakhan Tatars and Bashkirs in European Russia, Karachay-Balkars, Kumyks and Nogais in the European Caucasus and a small portion of Kazakhs living in the European part of Kazakhstan.



    That study did not test Crimean Tatars, but tested Volga Tatars and found them to genetically very close to Lipka Tatars. Lipka Tatars seem to be their unadmixed descendants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur Dincer View Post
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    That study did not test Crimean Tatars, but tested Volga Tatars and found them to genetically very close to Lipka Tatars. Lipka Tatars seem to be their unadmixed descendants.
    The study states Lipka Tatars have ancestry in Crimea, Azov, Don. Back then we could not have recruited Tatars from the middle Volga region. Tatars were most likely from the territory of what is today southern Ukraine and Crimea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    The study states Lipka Tatars have ancestry in Crimea, Azov, Don. Back then we could not have recruited Tatars from the middle Volga region. Tatars were most likely from the territory of what is today southern Ukraine and Crimea.
    Makes sense because based on the Crimean Tatar (I mean real Crimean Tatars, so excluding Crimean Turks of the coastal regions of Crimea, who have a completely different genetics and a different Turkic language) test results I have seen Crimean Tatars have more East Eurasian ancestry than Volga Tatars, and indeed in the Lipka Tatar study even Lipka Tatars show more East Eurasian ancestry than Volga Tatars and have a more southern kind of East Eurasian ancestry, again like Crimean Tatars. So I'd say that Lipka Tatars would genetically align with Crimean Tatars even more than they do with Volga Tatars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur Dincer View Post
    Makes sense as because based on the Crimean Tatar (I mean real Crimean Tatars, so excluding Crimean Turks of the coastal regions of Crimea, who have a completely different genetics and a different Turkic language) test results I have seen Crimean Tatars have more East Eurasian ancestry than Volga Tatars, and indeed in the Lipka Tatar study even Lipka Tatars show more East Eurasian ancestry than Volga Tatars and have a more southern kind of East Eurasian ancestry, again like Crimean Tatars. So I'd say that Lipka Tatars would genetically align with Crimean Tatars even more than they do with Volga Tatars.
    Does anyone have a study on Chuvash?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    Does anyone have a study on Chuvash?
    If you mean the autosomes, the Lipka Tatar study already includes Chuvash samples. The same Chuvash samples can be found also in this study on Turkic genetics (in many other studies as well):

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/07/30/005850

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur Dincer View Post
    If you mean the autosomes, the Lipka Tatar study already includes Chuvash samples. The same Chuvash samples can be found also in this study on Turkic genetics (in many other studies as well):

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/07/30/005850

    The ADMIXTURE plot from that study (arrows added by me for explanation):

    Turkic 1.png
    I know that the Chuvash 9% have an East Asian Companion the rest Western Eurasia and from an ancient Mesopotamian population
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    The Chuvash also have something to do with the Scythian 40% BA Okunevo culture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    I know that the Chuvash 9% have an East Asian Companion the rest Western Eurasia and from an ancient Mesopotamian population
    No, the purple component is also strongly East Eurasian as it is modal among Nganasans. Chuvash have above 20% East Eurasian ancestry, you can see it from their GEDmatch calculator results as well:

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    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...s9M/edit#gid=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur Dincer View Post
    No, the purple component is also strongly East Eurasian as it is modal among Nganasans. Chuvash have above 20% East Eurasian ancestry, you can see it from their GEDmatch calculator results as well:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=804264822

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...s9M/edit#gid=0
    ok thanks at K36 Gedmatch I score 6% Chuvash, Wikipedia always writes something else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    ok thanks at K36 Gedmatch I score 6% Chuvash, Wikipedia always writes something else
    Wikipedia says "The MtDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% Caucasoid, 9.1% East Asian and 1.8% unidentified" regarding the mtDNA haplogroups of Chuvash, it does not say anything about their East Eurasian ancestry levels based on their autosomal results. Wikipedia also reports that Chuvash have about 30% Y-DNA haplogroup N1c, the rest being mostly West Eurasian Y-DNA haplogroups, so their autosomal profile with a little above 20% East Eurasian ancestry is in line with their haplogrup results, being roughly their average.
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