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    Y Haplogroup L is caucasus

    if entire human race is divided in caucasoid , negroid and mangoloid, where the L haplogroup falls? As this haplogroup is supposed to be originated in Pamir (tajikistan), so is it caucasoid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prashantvaidwan View Post
    if entire human race is divided in caucasoid , negroid and mangoloid, where the L haplogroup falls? As this haplogroup is supposed to be originated in Pamir (tajikistan), so is it caucasoid?
    The L split is too old to determine what the carrier looked like. For example K2 the sibling of K1 (hap L + T) is the ancestor of haplogroups common in Siberia, Papua New Guinea/Australian Aboriginals, All E and SE Asians, most Europeans

    What subclade are you? if L1a then the earliest ancient dna we know of with this hap was from the Armenian Chalcolithic with these phenotypes

    Eye color (HIrisPlex System) Likely Blue
    Hair color (HIrisPlex System) Likely Red
    Skin pigmentation Likely light

    Whats your caste/community?

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    I am a Jat from delhi region. The most common L among jatts is L1c (L-M357). In india, L-M357 peaks at northwest and also found in south india (but subsequently very low). It is also found predominantly in pashtuns and kalashs. As jatt, pashtuns and kalashs are mostly good looking, tall and and strong built, I was curious to dig a bit more about y haplogroup and physical appearance connection. I am a naive in this field and have a limited knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prashantvaidwan View Post
    I am a Jat from delhi region. The most common L among jatts is L1c (L-M357). In india, L-M357 peaks at northwest and also found in south india (but subsequently very low). It is also found predominantly in pashtuns and kalashs. As jatt, pashtuns and kalashs are mostly good looking, tall and and strong built, I was curious to dig a bit more about y haplogroup and physical appearance connection. I am a naive in this field and have a limited knowledge.
    Whats your Harappa dna calculator results - autosomal ancestry is more relevant than y-dna when it comes to areas like physical appearance

    Y-dna just tells you where your paternal lineage came from. Are you L1c?

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    I have not get myself tested yet but i am planning soon. I was wondering how the calculator determines the ancestry % and what it actually mean. As in below data from harappa ancestry project, i understand that Jatts have higher NE euro in comparison of their neighboring population. The other communities which are close to jatts in NE euro are brahmin and khatris. As high NE euro is a marker of Indo-european ancestry which peaks in balkan area. Does it mean that jatts have higher North east european autosomal?
    I am also curious to know if a person with Y haplogroup L1c can have higher NE euro though L1c is negligible presence in europe? how this whole thing works? In India we have ANI and ASI component. Jats have lower ASI in comparison of surrounding population what does it represent? My understanding is that ASI is mostly H y-haplogroup (australoid people) which is native of India and ANI is L, J, R, G, Q (central asian/siberian etc) thanks in advance if I can have your insight

    Ethnicity SIndian Baloch Caucasian NEEuro
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 39% 11% 10%
    Punjabi Jatt 30% 44% 6% 14%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 42% 8% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 46% 7% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 40% 10% 15%
    Punjabi Jatt 27% 44% 10% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 27% 35% 16% 11%
    Punjabi Jatt Muslim 30% 39% 13% 8%
    Haryana Jat 25% 33% 12% 17%
    Haryana Jat 25% 33% 12% 17%
    Haryana Jatt 28% 38% 5% 20%
    Haryana Jatt 26% 39% 10% 17%
    Rajasthan Marwari Jain 47% 34% 5% 6%
    Rajasthani Agarwal 51% 37% 6% 1%
    Rajasthani Brahmin 32% 38% 9% 15%
    Rajasthani Marwari 48% 34% 6% 2%
    Rajasthani Rajput 45% 38% 5% 9%
    UP 40% 28% 10% 8%
    UP Brahmin 41% 37% 7% 11%
    UP Brahmin 40% 37% 7% 11%
    UP Brahmin 37% 38% 2% 14%
    UP Kayastha 47% 38% 5% 3%
    UP Muslim 33% 33% 10% 9%
    UP Muslim 28% 35% 12% 11%
    UP Muslim Pathan 48% 36% 7% 4%
    UP Muslim Syed 33% 31% 13% 7%
    UP Syed 36% 37% 7% 8%
    UP/Haryana Agarwal 52% 35% 6% 2%
    UP/Haryana Jatt 28% 42% 7% 18%
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    Quote Originally Posted by prashantvaidwan View Post
    I am a Jat from delhi region. The most common L among jatts is L1c (L-M357). In india, L-M357 peaks at northwest and also found in south india (but subsequently very low). It is also found predominantly in pashtuns and kalashs. As jatt, pashtuns and kalashs are mostly good looking, tall and and strong built, I was curious to dig a bit more about y haplogroup and physical appearance connection. I am a naive in this field and have a limited knowledge.
    For what it is worth , one study states the origins of LT is the sind valley
    http://thegeneticatlas.com/LT_Y-DNA.htm

    but IMO, south-central Asia area is the most likely.........the area of caspian sea, oxus river, turkmenistan and the pamir mountains ...............the sind valley does not fit well with T in india although L fits nicely


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    Quote Originally Posted by prashantvaidwan View Post
    I have not get myself tested yet but i am planning soon. I was wondering how the calculator determines the ancestry % and what it actually mean. As in below data from harappa ancestry project, i understand that Jatts have higher NE euro in comparison of their neighboring population. The other communities which are close to jatts in NE euro are brahmin and khatris. As high NE euro is a marker of Indo-european ancestry which peaks in balkan area. Does it mean that jatts have higher North east european autosomal?
    I am also curious to know if a person with Y haplogroup L1c can have higher NE euro though L1c is negligible presence in europe? how this whole thing works? In India we have ANI and ASI component. Jats have lower ASI in comparison of surrounding population what does it represent? My understanding is that ASI is mostly H y-haplogroup (australoid people) which is native of India and ANI is L, J, R, G, Q (central asian/siberian etc) thanks in advance if I can have your insight

    Ethnicity SIndian Baloch Caucasian NEEuro
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 39% 11% 10%
    Punjabi Jatt 30% 44% 6% 14%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 42% 8% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 46% 7% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 40% 10% 15%
    Punjabi Jatt 27% 44% 10% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 27% 35% 16% 11%
    Punjabi Jatt Muslim 30% 39% 13% 8%
    Haryana Jat 25% 33% 12% 17%
    Haryana Jat 25% 33% 12% 17%
    Haryana Jatt 28% 38% 5% 20%
    Haryana Jatt 26% 39% 10% 17%
    Rajasthan Marwari Jain 47% 34% 5% 6%
    Rajasthani Agarwal 51% 37% 6% 1%
    Rajasthani Brahmin 32% 38% 9% 15%
    Rajasthani Marwari 48% 34% 6% 2%
    Rajasthani Rajput 45% 38% 5% 9%
    UP 40% 28% 10% 8%
    UP Brahmin 41% 37% 7% 11%
    UP Brahmin 40% 37% 7% 11%
    UP Brahmin 37% 38% 2% 14%
    UP Kayastha 47% 38% 5% 3%
    UP Muslim 33% 33% 10% 9%
    UP Muslim 28% 35% 12% 11%
    UP Muslim Pathan 48% 36% 7% 4%
    UP Muslim Syed 33% 31% 13% 7%
    UP Syed 36% 37% 7% 8%
    UP/Haryana Agarwal 52% 35% 6% 2%
    UP/Haryana Jatt 28% 42% 7% 18%
    Actually the haplogroups don't have much to do with ASI/ANI percentages. There are many south indian tribals with R1a and punjabis/kashmiris with H. As bmoney mentioned it just shows where your paternal line originally came from. Punjabi jatts aren't just L, they can have all the haplogroups you listed. Most common ones are R1a, J, L, and H among punjabis. In terms of looking kalash or pathan, then you probably need to check for the autosomal results. NE euro doesn't mean you have actual mixture from east europeans. It takes origin from a west eurasian group in central asia from the so called aryans. Baloch comes from Iran neolithic farmers who migrated into the subcontinent as dravidians. These people most likely brought the haplogroups L and J. But again haplogroups don't mean much since L is spread in south india, northwest india/pakistan, and afghanistan. All these populations look quite different from each other. South Indian is basically the native indian DNA, found highest among south indian tribals. Thats why its named after them. S.indian is half west eurasian. It's not completely ASI. Since you're punjabi jatt, your results might be fairly similar to the jatts you posted above around 28-30% S. Indian, with 14-15% being ASI, and the rest west eurasian. I'm not sure if all of the west eurasian is ANI. Again I'm no expert. I'm just going by what I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    For what it is worth , one study states the origins of LT is the sind valley
    http://thegeneticatlas.com/LT_Y-DNA.htm

    but IMO, south-central Asia area is the most likely.........the area of caspian sea, oxus river, turkmenistan and the pamir mountains ...............the sind valley does not fit well with T in india although L fits nicely
    L1 seems to have the most diversity in Iran - SC Asia only has L1a and L1c and no L2. There is no way L2 is native to or originated in SC Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by prashantvaidwan View Post
    I have not get myself tested yet but i am planning soon. I was wondering how the calculator determines the ancestry % and what it actually mean. As in below data from harappa ancestry project, i understand that Jatts have higher NE euro in comparison of their neighboring population. The other communities which are close to jatts in NE euro are brahmin and khatris. As high NE euro is a marker of Indo-european ancestry which peaks in balkan area. Does it mean that jatts have higher North east european autosomal?
    I am also curious to know if a person with Y haplogroup L1c can have higher NE euro though L1c is negligible presence in europe? how this whole thing works? In India we have ANI and ASI component. Jats have lower ASI in comparison of surrounding population what does it represent? My understanding is that ASI is mostly H y-haplogroup (australoid people) which is native of India and ANI is L, J, R, G, Q (central asian/siberian etc) thanks in advance if I can have your insight

    Ethnicity SIndian Baloch Caucasian NEEuro
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 39% 11% 10%
    Punjabi Jatt 30% 44% 6% 14%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 42% 8% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 46% 7% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 28% 40% 10% 15%
    Punjabi Jatt 27% 44% 10% 13%
    Punjabi Jatt 27% 35% 16% 11%
    Punjabi Jatt Muslim 30% 39% 13% 8%
    Haryana Jat 25% 33% 12% 17%
    Haryana Jat 25% 33% 12% 17%
    Haryana Jatt 28% 38% 5% 20%
    Haryana Jatt 26% 39% 10% 17%
    Rajasthan Marwari Jain 47% 34% 5% 6%
    Rajasthani Agarwal 51% 37% 6% 1%
    Rajasthani Brahmin 32% 38% 9% 15%
    Rajasthani Marwari 48% 34% 6% 2%
    Rajasthani Rajput 45% 38% 5% 9%
    UP 40% 28% 10% 8%
    UP Brahmin 41% 37% 7% 11%
    UP Brahmin 40% 37% 7% 11%
    UP Brahmin 37% 38% 2% 14%
    UP Kayastha 47% 38% 5% 3%
    UP Muslim 33% 33% 10% 9%
    UP Muslim 28% 35% 12% 11%
    UP Muslim Pathan 48% 36% 7% 4%
    UP Muslim Syed 33% 31% 13% 7%
    UP Syed 36% 37% 7% 8%
    UP/Haryana Agarwal 52% 35% 6% 2%
    UP/Haryana Jatt 28% 42% 7% 18%
    yes NE euro %ages are quite elevated in Jatts particularly Haryana Jatts compared to surrounding pops according to the reference data. NE Euro peaks in the Baltic states not the Balkans, which is why its named NE Euro. But NE Euro is a steppe Indo-Aryan marker and would better fit R1a1a than L. L would better fit 'Baloch' at the group level

    L1c would not correlate with ancestry at the individual level except to say the person has at least a drop of Gedrosian/BMAC blood. For example even if you're an H Punjabi you'd be more genetically Punjabi than a south Indian H. So if you're extrapolating the data to yourself, you will definitely have higher South Indian than a Kalash even if you both share the same y-dna

    At a group level - To groups which have elevated L1c %ages like Jatts and the Kalash - it does loosely correspond to high Baloch/Hindu-Kush/Gedrosian component. In eastern and southern India hap L is quite rare and Gedrosian levels are generally lower.

    The Baluch have the highest Gedrosian of all and L1a is their most common haplogroup if i recall correctly

    Also are you a Jaat from Western UP? your scores would differ to other Jatts if that is the case, will be interesting to see your results

    My understanding is that ASI is mostly H y-haplogroup (australoid people) which is native of India and ANI is L, J, R, G, Q (central asian/siberian etc) thanks in advance if I can have your insight

    Mostly right - Id add F and C to H as major ASI haplogroup lineages, and O in the Eastern part of India

    Also ANI isnt a population, its a mix of both Neolithic Farmers from Iran and Steppe people who are quite different to each other
    Last edited by bmoney; 01-12-2018 at 03:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    L1 seems to have the most diversity in Iran - SC Asia only has L1a and L1c and no L2. There is no way L2 is native to or originated in SC Asia
    I refer to this area
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactri...ogical_Complex
    as south central asia ......IMO T and L where created in here or very near here


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