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    Quote Originally Posted by nicole2496 View Post
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    If there is no Macedonian reference, you will only score the closest groups after that. The embedded image are the only calcs on gedmatch with a Macedonian reference. Try one of these:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    If there is no Macedonian reference, you will only score the closest groups after that. The embedded image are the only calcs on gedmatch with a Macedonian reference. Try one of these.
    MDLP K16: 1. Greek (Greece) 3.01 | 2. Greek (Peloponnes) 3.13 | 3. Italian (Abruzzo) 3.32 | 4. Greek (Macedonia) 4.24 | 5. Greek (Thessaloniki) 4.38 | 6. Italian (SouthItaly) 4.75 | 7. Sicilian (Sicily) 5.12 | 8. Jew (Ashkenazi) 5.73 | 9. Greek (Athens) 5.88 | 10. Kosovar (Kosovo) 6.14 | 11. Jew (Ashkenazim) 6.18 | 12. Gagauz (Gagauzia) 6.32 | 13. Maltese (Malta) 6.33 | 14. Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.74 | 15. Greek (Greece) 7.75 | 16. Italian (Tuscany) 7.95 | 17. Jew (Belmonte) 8.27 | 18. Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.66 | 19. Albanian (Albania) 8.74 | 20. Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 8.8

    MDLP K23B: 1. Sicilian_West 3.19 | 2. Ashkenazi_Jew 4.39 | 3. Sicilian_Agrigento 5.15 | 4. Sicilian_Trapani 5.32 | 5. Maltese 5.59 | 6. Greek_Northwest 6.21 | 7. Sicilian_Siracusa 6.37 | 8. Bulgarian 6.8 | 9. French_Jew 7.07 | 10. Greek_Peloponnesos 7.26 | 11. Sephardic_Jew 7.31 | 12. Macedonian 7.49 | 13. Montenegrian 7.67 | 14. Turk_Jew 7.9 | 15. Sicilian_East 8.08 | 16. Kosovar 8.19 | 17. Italian_Jew 8.34 | 18. Greek_Thessaly 8.45 | 19. Ashkenazi 8.47 | 20. Greek_Thessaloniki 8.54

    MDLP World-22: 1. Ashkenazim_V 2.57 | 2. Greek_South 3.4 | 3. Greek_North 4.51 | 4. Jew_Romania 6.25 | 5. Greek_Center 7.36 | 6. Greek_East 7.98 | 7. Italian-Center 9.67 | 8. Gagauz 10.46 | 9. Italian-South 11.14 | 10. Italian-North 12.24 | 11. Bulgarian 12.57 | 12. Sicilian 12.6 | 13. Romania 12.61 | 14. Italian_North 14.55 | 15. Greek_Cretan 14.98 | 16. Macedonian 15.06 | 17. Corsican 15.64 | 18. Kosovar 15.81 | 19. Tatar_Crim 15.84 | 20. Ashkenazim 15.95

    MDLP World: 1. Ashkenazim_V 2.44 | 2. Greek_South | 3. Greek_North 4.65 | 4. Jew_Romania 5.32 | 6. Greek_Center 6.74 | 7. Italian-Center | 8. Sicilian 9.53 | 9. Gagauz 9.57 | 10. Italian-South 9.62 | 11. Bulgarian 12.09 | 12. Italian-North 12.37 | 13. Greek_Cretan 12.78 | 14. Ashkenazim 13.29 | 15. Romania 14.27 | 16. Jew_France 14.33 | 17. Macedonian 14.65 | 18. Jew_Italia 15.15 | 19. Greek_Azov | 20. Montenegrin 15.84

    puntDNAL K13: 1. Greek_Thessaly 3.6 | 2. Greek_Central 4.32 | 3. Italian_Abruzzo 4.7 | 4. Kosovar 5.21 | 5. Italian_Tuscan 6.18 | 6. Ashkenazy_Jew 8.19 | 7. Italian_Sicilian 9.22 | 8. Bulgarian 9.72 | 9. Albanian 9.84 | 10. Macedonian 9.97 | 11. Romanian 12.06 | 12. Italian_Bergamo 12.33 | 13. Montenegrin 12.76 | 14. Sephardic_Jew 12.83 | 15. Serbian 15.25 | 16. Spaniard 18.1 | 17. Bosnian 19 | 18. Turkish 19.07 | 19. Turkish_Aydin 20.12 | 20. Croatian 20.84

    puntDNAL K15: 1. Tuscan 3.87 | 2. Greek_Thessaly 4.07 | 3. Greek_Central 4.82 | 4. Italian 8.72 | 5. Ashkenazy_Jew 8.79 | 6. Montenegrin 9.38 | 7. Sicilian 10.21 | 8. Bulgarian 10.98 | 9. Romanian 11.8 | 10. Sephardic_Jew 12.77 | 11. Albanian 12.82 | 12. Brazilian 13.04 | 13. Portuguese 14.77 | 14. Macedonian 15.23 | 15. Bosnian 15.5 | 16. Spaniard 16.87 | 17. Serbian 19.24 | 18. French 21.41 | 19. South_German 23.96 | 20. Basque 24.03


    MDLP K16 - Mostly Greek matches followed by Italian matches, no Macedonia (FYROM) though.
    MDLP K23B - This one seems to be picking up Italian mostly. Macedonia is #12.
    MDLP World-22 - Mostly Greek and Italian matches. Macedonia #16.
    MDLP World - Same as most of these calculators, lots of Italy and Greece. Macedonia is #17.
    puntDNAL K13 - This one seems to pick up more on Slavic countries, although my closest matches are still Greece. Macedonia is #10.
    puntDNAL K15 - A lot of matches seem off with this one. Macedonia is #14.

    Even with these calculators, it seems like Macedonia isn't a very close match, Italy and Greece are much closer matches than anything else.
    AncestryDNA: Greece & the Balkans (48%) | Italy (45%) | Eastern Europe & Russia (6%) | Baltics (1%)
    MyHeritage: Greek and South Italian (92.7%) | Ashkenazi Jewish (2.5%) | Iberian (2.4%) | Italian (1.6%) | West Asian (0.8%)
    Family Tree DNA: Southeast Europe (71%) | Asia Minor (17%) | East Europe (6%) | Sephardic (5%)
    Eurogenes K15: Greek_Thessaly @ 5.405195 | Central_Greek @ 7.556436 | Ashkenazi @ 7.943811 | East_Sicilian @ 8.714078 | Greek @ 8.773556

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    Why would you want to get closest to Macedonians ? When you are of mixed ethnicity, you are not going to get closest to either your father's ethnicitiy or your mothers, because you are only 50% of that ethnicity (unless the mix consists of very close ethnicities...So you are going to get a population that is in-between. If you mix a spaniard and a german you get French, when you mix south-italian with macedonian you'll get closest to greeks. There is no mistery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweuro View Post
    Why would you want to get closest to Macedonians ? When you are of mixed ethnicity, you are not going to get closest to either your father's ethnicitiy or your mothers, because you are only 50% of that ethnicity (unless the mix consists of very close ethnicities...So you are going to get a population that is in-between. If you mix a spaniard and a german you get French, when you mix south-italian with macedonian you'll get closest to greeks. There is no mistery.
    Nicole, what he says is very true. with one of the ethnicity models it shows my primary ethnicity as Frisian. When you consider that region is about half way between South England and North Germany it makes perfect sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweuro View Post
    Why would you want to get closest to Macedonians ? When you are of mixed ethnicity, you are not going to get closest to either your father's ethnicitiy or your mothers, because you are only 50% of that ethnicity (unless the mix consists of very close ethnicities...So you are going to get a population that is in-between. If you mix a spaniard and a german you get French, when you mix south-italian with macedonian you'll get closest to greeks. There is no mistery.
    Well then, are these calculators "useless" when it comes to mixed ethnicities? And my other question from the beginning was why did I have 0% balkan, only 1.6% Italian, and then 92.7% Greek? Because now I understand how the ethnicities mix, but I still don't understand why I have 0% balkan, shouldn't there be something, even a small percentage?
    AncestryDNA: Greece & the Balkans (48%) | Italy (45%) | Eastern Europe & Russia (6%) | Baltics (1%)
    MyHeritage: Greek and South Italian (92.7%) | Ashkenazi Jewish (2.5%) | Iberian (2.4%) | Italian (1.6%) | West Asian (0.8%)
    Family Tree DNA: Southeast Europe (71%) | Asia Minor (17%) | East Europe (6%) | Sephardic (5%)
    Eurogenes K15: Greek_Thessaly @ 5.405195 | Central_Greek @ 7.556436 | Ashkenazi @ 7.943811 | East_Sicilian @ 8.714078 | Greek @ 8.773556

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicole2496 View Post
    Well then, are these calculators "useless" when it comes to mixed ethnicities? And my other question from the beginning was why did I have 0% balkan, only 1.6% Italian, and then 92.7% Greek? Because now I understand how the ethnicities mix, but I still don't understand why I have 0% balkan, shouldn't there be something, even a small percentage?
    there probably is if you test with a different company.

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    Have you tried seeing what it looks like on Eurogenes K36? That has more categories in the breakout, including a Balkan one.

    Also, back to K13, if you look at the breakdown in K13 (spreadsheet) of the different countries,they don't have Macedonia, but you can see that Greece and Sicily are so close as to be extremely hard to distinguish. You can also look at some of the common results for other countries and compare them with your own.

    Focusing on the major relevant components (North Atlantic, Baltic, West Med, West Asian, East Med)

    Central_Greek 16.86 10.36 21.47 15.44 29.25
    East_Sicilian 16.46 9.03 21.26 13.83 29.91
    Greek_Thessaly 19.12 16.32 20.63 11.87 25.4
    West_Sicilian 21.14 7.59 22.7 10.85 28.66

    Compare to some results from countries in or around the Balkans

    Bulgarian 21.75 24.06 17.91 11.91 20.12
    Croatian 27.21 36.11 14.54 7.94 9.44
    Romanian 24.37 24.49 17.09 11.28 18.04
    Serbian 27.1 27.32 15.84 9.37 15.63

    You can see how these can be hard to distinguish with a mix.

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    To add evidence to how tough it can be for mixed ethnicity people, if I do the K13 oracle, its breakdowns of two population are either:

    Irish (75-80%) and something Eastern European, probably SE Europe (20-25%) -- this seems to be the model that FTDNA used, giving me 83% British Isles, and 14% Eastern Europe. (Because of this the oracles tend to give me Balkan results even though I am pretty sure I have no Balkan ancestry -- the opposite issue from yours.)

    Or, for about the other half or more of the results, I get Northern German (around 90%) and around 10% Spanish or sometimes Sardinian or French, but mostly Spanish. I also do not think I have any Spanish heritage.

    My mix must be something that could be explained by both those quite different possibilities.

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    have your parents tested then you could see for sure

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    That's logical.

    Most likely you have some Spartan ancestors. As you know, South Italy was a Greek colony for a while.

    Macedonians (Slav), Greeks, Bulgarians, Turks and Albanians were living in Macedonia just 150 years ago. Probably, your grandparents were Greek people who live in Ottoman Macedonia.

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