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    Pakistani Punjabi-Need help with results

    Hey guys I just ran my raw DNA through GenePlaza and wanted some insight on the results.

    Ancient Farmers-34.3%
    -West European Farmers 0%
    -Levant 3.4%
    -Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran-CHG 18%
    -East European Farmers 12.9%

    Steppe Cultures-32.4%
    -Scythain 8.4%
    -Andronovo-Srubnaya 10.9%
    Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka 13.1%

    South East Eurasian-27.9%

    African-2.4

    Western European and Scandinavian Hunter and Gatherer-1.8%

    Eastern Non Africans-1.1%

    We have been told our whole lives that we are Syed, but I dont believe this to be true. I can trace my paternal side back to Jhang,Punjab in Pakistan. Sorry I am new to this and any help would be appreciated , Thank you.

    Also I apologize for no picture, it wont let me add one!
    Last edited by Raza94; 01-28-2018 at 06:11 AM. Reason: Clarify

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza94 View Post
    Hey guys I just ran my raw DNA through GenePlaza and wanted some insight on the results.

    Ancient Farmers-34.3%
    -West European Farmers 0%
    -Levant 3.4%
    -Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran-CHG 18%
    -East European Farmers 12.9%

    Steppe Cultures-32.4%
    -Scythain 8.4%
    -Andronovo-Srubnaya 10.9%
    Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka 13.1%

    South East Eurasian-27.9%

    African-2.4

    Western European and Scandinavian Hunter and Gatherer-1.8%

    Eastern Non Africans-1.1%

    We have been told our whole lives that we are Syed, but I dont believe this to be true. I can trace my paternal side back to Jhang,Punjab in Pakistan. Sorry I am new to this and any help would be appreciated , Thank you.

    Also I apologize for no picture, it wont let me add one!
    Hello,

    Can you post your Harappa GEDmatch results too? What's your mtDNA?

    I myself am a Rajput from the Salt Range and many of my top matches on Gedmatch and 23&me are Syeds.

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    Welcome to the forum bhra! Seems like R1a1a is strong in us Punjabis. Can you elaborate a little bit more about your family’s background? Tribes etc?
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    Thank you veerey! And yes from the little research I have done it seems the R1a1 is strong in us. My paternal side is Syed from Jhang,Punjab and more specifically in a pind called Pir kot Sadhana. We claim to be Gilani Syed. The furthest we can go back according to our family tree is about 200 years. My guess is that we were converted a while back, and someone in our family had realized the benefits of being Syed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza94 View Post
    Thank you veerey! And yes from the little research I have done it seems the R1a1 is strong in us. My paternal side is Syed from Jhang,Punjab and more specifically in a pind called Pir kot Sadhana. We claim to be Gilani Syed. The furthest we can go back according to our family tree is about 200 years. My guess is that we were converted a while back, and someone in our family had realized the benefits of being Syed.
    What about your mother side? Can you post your Harappa results as well? Here are my gene plaza results for comparison. I'm Punjabi Sikh Tarkhan, also known as ramgarhias.

    steppe cultures - 38.1%
    karasuk-e scythian (2000-3000 years) - 20.2%
    andronovo-srubnaya (3000-4000 years) - 8.4%
    yamnaya-afanasievo-poltavka (4000-5000 years) - 9.5%

    ancient farmers - 35.0%
    west european farmers (4000-5000 years) - 0.0%
    levant (4000-8000 years) - 5.1%
    neolithic-chalcolithic iran-chg (5000-12000 years) - 15.6%
    east european farmers (5000-8000 years) - 14.3%

    southeast Eurasian - 21.3%

    eastern non africans (modern) - 3.5%

    western european & scandinavian hunter gatherers (4000-5000 years) - 1.0%

    african - 1.0%
    east african (modern) - 0.5%
    west african (modern) - 0.5%
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    Hey guys here are my GEDMatch results:

    South Indian-36.9
    Baloch-36.8
    Caucasian-7.93
    NE-Euro-7.34
    SE Asian-0.46
    Siberian-2.22
    American-0.62
    Beringian-0.27
    Mediterranean-3.56
    SW-Asian-3.85

    I have not done my mtDNA as of yet.

    Heir of Ghandhara: do you think some Rajputs would have changed their name to Syed to have a higher status?

    Really appreciate the help guys

    Edit: My mother’s side is from Sialkot,Punjab but I believe their ancestry might go back to Kapurthala on the Indian side of Punjab
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza94 View Post
    Hey guys here are my GEDMatch results:

    South Indian-36.9
    Baloch-36.8
    Caucasian-7.93
    NE-Euro-7.34
    SE Asian-0.46
    Siberian-2.22
    American-0.62
    Beringian-0.27
    Mediterranean-3.56
    SW-Asian-3.85

    I have not done my mtDNA as of yet.

    Heir of Ghandhara: do you think some Rajputs would have changed their name to Syed to have a higher status?

    Really appreciate the help guys

    Edit: My mother’s side is from Sialkot,Punjab but I believe their ancestry might go back to Kapurthala on the Indian side of Punjab
    Your Ydna is definitely not from the halogroups that are assigned with Syed lineage but you definitely have Arab ancestry. The mediterranean and SW asian is too high for general NW South Asian. My results for comparison:

    1 Baloch 36.48
    2 S-Indian 35.15
    3 NE-Euro 12.76
    4 Caucasian 10.86
    5 Siberian 1.7
    6 SW-Asian 0.81
    7 Beringian 0.75
    8 American 0.72
    9 NE-Asian 0.6
    10 Papuan 0.16
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    I was reading up on the Gill tribe of Jatts and read that they may have possibly come from a province in Iran called Gilan. Not sure how true this is but do you think that could attribute to the bit of Arab ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza94 View Post
    I was reading up on the Gill tribe of Jatts and read that they may have possibly come from a province in Iran called Gilan. Not sure how true this is but do you think that could attribute to the bit of Arab ancestry?
    No, those claims are generally not true or very stretched. If it was ancient it wouldn't be this high. You have legit Arab ancestor somewhere back, but mostly likely maternal ancestor. Can you run your data on ANE K7 and Eurogenes K36?
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    Thanks for posting your results Raza! Interesting results.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raza94 View Post

    Heir of Ghandhara: do you think some Rajputs would have changed their name to Syed to have a higher status?
    To answer this question, I will first have to agree that Rajputs occupy a lower status than the Syeds. Lol.

    But seriously, Syeds do occupy a very high status all across Pakistan. But in many Pakistani districts, it's the Rajputs who occupy the highest hereditary social status. The only social perk that Syeds universally enjoy, in my opinion, is that their marriage proposals are accepted by almost everyone. As such I don't see any reason for a true Rajput to ever risk changing his family background for negligible social status gains. Even where Rajputs have become Pirs they still remained very proud Rajputs - like the Janjuas of Bari Imam for example.

    I personally think that most modern Syeds/Shahs from Punjab are Brahmin converts.

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