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    What Surnames Are You Working On?

    Different from the origin or frequency of your own surname: what surnames are you working on and what strikes you about them?

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    My surname is Jones, so it's a frustration for me, and I've found myself gravitating toward less common names. What that means is that when I get a Miller or Allen I've tended to put off dealing with it, and getting obsessed with less common names or those that present a mystery. But some of the ones I am currently working on have been difficult for one reason or another.

    There are others, but a few that currently interest me or that I want to work on more than others (or find a way to do a YDNA test for):

    Detalente/Detillion -- I am interested in this one because it was changed early on and I don't know why, and because it's my only French ancestry.

    Craney -- this name surprised me by its rarity and I keep thinking there must be a really common alternative I've missed. Plus it represents a brick wall for me at the moment, and you'd think with it not being that common it wouldn't be so hard.

    Bristol -- this name is a pain despite being not that common because it's also a place name, so searches can be complicated by that.

    Craven -- I'd like to get it across the Atlantic, and also figure out how the various US families are related, or not.

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    Genetic testing has greatly influenced my research and specializing in YDNA really limits your focus:

    Casey (significant) - my surname cluster has 18 67 marker testers with two YElite tests.
    Brooks (probably Wade) - finding out my 1765 NPE adoption has slowed down this research
    R-L226 - Dalcassian surnames from County Clare, Ireland - although I am less than one percent Irish, most of my time is spent supporting this haplogroup (67 marker tester count):
    O'Brien (50), McCraw/McGraw/McGrath (28), Casey (27), Kennedy (23), Bryan(t) (23), Butler (18), Hogan (14), Mahon(e)y (12), Crow(e) (11), Lynch (11), Kelly (11), McNamara (10), Fitzgerald (8), Car(e)y (7), O'Malley (7), Hart (6), McMahon (6) and dozens of others. We now have 72 branches under L226, 635 67 marker testers, 100 Big Y tests and 100 SNP packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertCasey View Post
    Genetic testing has greatly influenced my research and specializing in YDNA really limits your focus:

    Casey (significant) - my surname cluster has 18 67 marker testers with two YElite tests.
    Hey, my g-grandmother was a Casey who lived in Morgan Mill, Texas!

    I'm pretty entranced with my surname mostly because I'm a Murphy who descends from Mcmurchy's who immigrated from Scotland. My father is deceased and I'm so bummed that I'm not able to share that we're not Irish Murphy's at all. He would get such a kick out of it.

    Teasdale/Tisdale-- I have a g-g-grandmother I am not able to tie a paper trail to any other families in Texas. I feel I have enough Dna evidence to tie her to some cousins line on Ancestry, but feel uncertain without documentation. Curse that 1890 census being destroyed!
    Ancestry: Great Britian: 63%, Ireland, Scotland, Wales: 24% Europe East: 4% Europe West: 3% Iberian: 3% Scandinavia: 1%

    23 and Me: British and Irish: 60.2% French and German: 23.2% Iberian: 1% Scandinavian 0.8% Finnish: 0.1% Broadly NW European 13.4% Broadly Southern European: 0.3% Broadly European: 1.0%

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsepthenne View Post
    Hey, my g-grandmother was a Casey who lived in Morgan Mill, Texas!
    Over 90 % of Casey in the southern states originate from western South Carolina around 1750 (left Ireland during the droughts in the 1740s). There are more descendants of this South Carolina Casey line than Caseys in Ireland today (and it is in the top 25 surnames in Ireland). These are all very closely related from a genetic genealogy point of view (related in the last 200 to 300 years). We do have two outliers - a Kersey tester found in Oxford, England in the early 1600s and descendants of the Dempsey Casey line out of North Carolina (this line ended up McMinn County, TN with my line but probably did not know they were related). If you have male descendant of your Casey line, get them YSTR tested and join the Casey surname project (I am the admin of this project).

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    My father was adopted so I am searching for my father's father. Thanks to YSTRs at FTDNA I think I have stumbled upon his probable surname: Moreau. I get 6 perfect matches at Y25 markers all with this surname, 5 with GD=2-3 at Y67, and 2 at Y111 with GD=3-4. I am lucky enough to have contacted an expert genealogist in the Moreau line (her husband is one of my matches), and she has built every one of these matche's trees back to our common ancestors Jean Moreau, b.~1630 France. My haplogroup branch DF27 -> CTS4065 also terminates in France around the same region about a couple thousand years ago.

    I'm not really working on the surname at this moment, but rather collecting autosomal DNA matches with the same surname somewhere in their trees and mapping out common ancestors.
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    Dad = 40% French-Canadian, 10% Irish, 50% English
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    Most Distant Known Ancestor = Jean Moreau b. 1630s Parthenay, Deux-Sèvres, France
    Surnames = Welch, Chibry, Moreau, Todd, Anderson, Bedford, Joncas, Basaraba

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    I have a couple of Jones, so the usual difficulties there. My recent known ancestry is entirely in Wales and West Herefordshire.
    One that intrigues me is the surname Leith (female) which may suggest a Scottish origin?
    I have Newton on the maternal side, a surname common in Herefordshire. It appears they moved there from Banbury in Oxfordshire. I'm speculating it could be connected to cattle droving. Someone else tracing the same family suggests an early Newton was born in St. Barthomews Next the Exchange, London (parish) pre- Fire of London but I haven't found anything to support that claim.
    I suppose my biggest curiosity is how I may connect into the Cecil (Burghley) paternal line (shared ancestor around 1300) but I think I've had it with a paper trail pre the late 1600's. Even a very experienced professional has been unable to help out further. Part of the problem may be the change from the Welsh to English naming system and of course the Civil War around that time. My only hope is of a possible Y DNA match in the UK which may at least help to confirm the early geographical origins of the Cecil family which still remain debated to some extent. There appears to be a connection to Norway (TMRCA awaited) but I doubt there will be a paper trail to back that up.

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    One of my fun ones right now:

    Waterbury. A surname that seems to start in Sudbury,* Suffolk, England around 1550. Evidence is pointing to German refugee/immigrants who were originally Wasserburgs.


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    Sudbury and the surrounding area, like much of East Anglia, was a hotbed of Puritan sentiment during much of the 17th century. Sudbury was among the town's called "notorious wasps' nests of dissent."[12] During the decade of the 1630s, many families departed for the Massachusetts Bay Colony as part of the wave of emigration that occurred during the Great Migration.
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    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    One of my fun ones right now:

    Waterbury. A surname that seems to start in Sudbury,* Suffolk, England around 1550. Evidence is pointing to German refugee/immigrants who were originally Wasserburgs.
    Re "notorious wasps' nests of dissent" -- that rings true for me, as some of my 1630s Puritan migrant ancestors were from Rattlesden, Suffolk.

    Speaking of which, what do you know about German refugees there in the 1550s? That intrigues me, as my dad's mtDNA line goes to Rattlesden, mid-1500s, and he has a perfect match from Germany (also one from Norway). I assumed this just meant the matches went back to a very old MCRA, but the possibility of a more recent German connection is interesting. The last woman whose ancestry I do not know was born around 1550, though, so the timing might not work out anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    Re "notorious wasps' nests of dissent" -- that rings true for me, as some of my 1630s Puritan migrant ancestors were from Rattlesden, Suffolk.

    Speaking of which, what do you know about German refugees there in the 1550s? That intrigues me, as my dad's mtDNA line goes to Rattlesden, mid-1500s, and he has a perfect match from Germany (also one from Norway). I assumed this just meant the matches went back to a very old MCRA, but the possibility of a more recent German connection is interesting. The last woman whose ancestry I do not know was born around 1550, though, so the timing might not work out anyway.
    I've only just started to look, but I just found this:
    https://www.englandsimmigrants.com/

    Just off the top of my head, Martin Luther kicks over the Reformation apple cart in 1517 and things go sideways for 100 years in the German part of the Holy Roman Empire:
    ex.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmalkaldic_War

    Henry VIII and Edward VI's England might have looked more attractive:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward...nd#Reformation
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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