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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Even tribals like Paniya have ANE more than many Pashtuns, Bengalis, and South Indians.
    Interesting if true. Do you have any results of theirs? How much do tribals get? 30%+?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Interesting if true. Do you have any results of theirs? How much do tribals get? 30%+?
    From what I've seen, pretty much all South Asians score 27-31% ANE in ANE-K7. I am working on a script to make the PCA cleaner and faster to generate based on existing spreadsheets. I wanted to finish it this weekend, but could not do it due to being a bit busy. I hope to start cranking out PCAs soon on South Asian populations.

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    Code:
    Population	 
    ANE	29.73
    ASE	21.23
    WHG-UHG	-    
    East_Eurasian	4.49
    West_African	-    
    East_African	4.68
    ENF	39.87

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    ANE	30.43
    ASE	15.14
    WHG-UHG	6.33
    East_Eurasian	3.02
    West_African	-    
    East_African	2.47
    ENF	42.61

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    ANE, in ANE-K7, is wide spread among non-tribal SAs such as the frequency does not differ much among population(averages). Even tribals like Paniya have ANE more than many Pashtuns, Bengalis, and South Indians.
    In Eurasian ,after Siberians, ANE peaks in Hindu Kush populations ie Kalash, Burusho ,and Pashtuns, some even at par like in the case of some Kalash who score 40%. Pania atm have around 20-25% ANE, my guess is this will rise a bit given the archaic connection between ANE and ASE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    In Eurasian ,after Siberians, ANE peaks in Hindu Kush populations ie Kalash, Burusho ,and Pashtuns, some even at par like in the case of some Kalash who score 40%. Pania atm have around 20-25% ANE, my guess is this will rise a bit given the archaic connection between ANE and ASE.
    I've read that ANE-K7's ANE wasn't MA1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Interesting if true. Do you have any results of theirs? How much do tribals get? 30%+?
    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    From what I've seen, pretty much all South Asians score 27-31% ANE in ANE-K7. I am working on a script to make the PCA cleaner and faster to generate based on existing spreadsheets. I wanted to finish it this weekend, but could not do it due to being a bit busy. I hope to start cranking out PCAs soon on South Asian populations.
    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    I've read that ANE-K7's ANE wasn't MA1.
    You have to take into the account the ANE % /= ANE; it could be "ANE-like".

    Weren't we all scoring a bazillion % CHG not too long ago? Iran N was "CHG-like", we just didn't know that until a few samples in the Zargos were tested.

    PS. I'll get that spreadsheet to ya... I finally slept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    You have to take into the account the ANE % /= ANE; it could be "ANE-like".

    Weren't we all scoring a bazillion % CHG not too long ago? Iran N was "CHG-like", we just didn't know that until a few samples in the Zargos were tested.

    PS. I'll get that spreadsheet to ya... I finally slept.
    I agree its a combo of ANE and ANE like stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I agree its a combo of ANE and ANE like stuff.
    Maybe ANE combined with older Ust'Ishim like stuff so an archaic pop that links ANE to East Asians but clearly separated from ghost-ASI

    ancient East Eurasians such as UI, which predates MA-1 by 20,000 years, are a) as close to MA-1 as they are to modern East Eurasians and b) closer to them than to modern West Eurasians.

    Ust'Ishim y-dna: Basal K2a* has been found only in the remains of two Paleolithic individuals from western Siberia (Ust-Ishimsky District) and southwestern Romania (Peștera cu Oase), while K2a1* has been found only in living individuals from India (Telugu) and South East Asia (Malay).

    In a 2016 study, modern Tibetans were identified as the modern population that has the most alleles in common with Ust'-Ishim man.[16] According to a 2017 study, "Siberian and East Asian populations shared 38% of their ancestry"[17] to Ust’-Ishim man.

    Fu et al. (2014, 448-9) found that UI “is not more closely related to the Onge from the Andaman Islands (putative descendants of an early coastal migration) than he is to present-day East Asians or Native Americans

    One of Lukasz calcs running these samples, not sure what the genotype rate was but I've highlighted the differences

    Mal'ta

    0.31% West-African
    0.00% Siberian
    9.80% South-Indian
    1.32% Ne-Asian
    17.76% Kalash
    0.04% Papuan
    0.21% Paleo-African
    16.64% Samoyedic
    38.52% NE-Euro
    0.00% SE-Asian
    0.00% Tibeto-Burmese
    0.00% SW-Euro
    0.00% Caucasian
    15.40% Amerindian
    0.00% Red-Sea

    Ust'-Ishim

    8.33% West-African
    1.04% Siberian
    26.66% South-Indian
    3.40% Ne-Asian
    4.85% Kalash
    11.50% Papuan
    4.48% Paleo-African
    0.00% Samoyedic
    10.32% NE-Euro
    8.59% SE-Asian
    7.56% Tibeto-Burmese
    5.52% SW-Euro
    0.10% Caucasian
    0.58% Amerindian
    7.07% Red-Sea
    Last edited by bmoney; 02-14-2018 at 09:28 AM.

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    South Indians come out as closest to Usht Ishim like but its because they show a similar West Eurasian/East Eurasian mix, he is thought of as existing before the East/West Eurasian split. MA1 though is thought of distinctively as "West Eurasian" even though he too has 30-35% ASE. Using modern populations to model such ancient genomes is very confusing.

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