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    South Asian Syeds results

    I though it'd be good to compile a list of Syed results from South Asia since it is very interesting identity lots of South asian muslims associate with. If I can find their Ydna, I'll post that as well. I'll add kit numbers so everyone can run their results on different calculators.


    Syed (A189876)

    S-Indian 30.12
    Baloch 36.75
    Caucasian 12.09
    NE-Euro 10.89
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian 2.07
    NE-Asian 2.53
    Papuan -
    American 0.17
    Beringian 1.45
    Mediterranean 0.85
    SW-Asian 3.08
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

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    Syed (M235366) Ydna - J2, Mtdna - M3

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 36.72
    2 Baloch 33.93
    3 Caucasian 10.37
    4 NE-Euro 7.23
    5 NE-Asian 2.89
    6 Mediterranean 2.37
    7 Siberian 2.19
    8 SW-Asian 2.11
    9 Papuan 0.76
    10 American 0.75
    11 SE-Asian 0.61
    12 Beringian 0.07

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    Syed (A251927)

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 39.73
    2 Baloch 35.39
    3 Caucasian 8.23
    4 NE-Euro 6.36
    5 Siberian 2.4
    6 SW-Asian 2.35
    7 NE-Asian 1.89
    8 Mediterranean 1.43
    9 Beringian 0.9
    10 SE-Asian 0.45
    11 American 0.42
    12 Papuan 0.24
    13 E-African 0.2

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    Syed (M454389)

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 37.23
    2 Baloch 32.72
    3 Caucasian 12.47
    4 NE-Euro 8.74
    5 American 1.75
    6 NE-Asian 1.69
    7 Siberian 1.6
    8 Beringian 1.09
    9 Mediterranean 0.87
    10 Papuan 0.7
    11 SE-Asian 0.59
    12 SW-Asian 0.37
    13 E-African 0.1
    14 W-African 0.07

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    Do you know the ethnic backgrounds for each?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Do you know the ethnic backgrounds for each?
    I don't, I get many syed matches on gedmatch, I haven't contacted anyone yet.

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    I only have 1 Syed match on genesis, and his results look distinctly southern.

    Kit: QK9100029

    Harappa:
    S-Indian
    47.88
    Baloch
    29.59
    Caucasian
    7.77
    NE-Euro
    5.45
    SE-Asian
    2.28
    Siberian
    1.16
    NE-Asian
    1.12
    Papuan
    1.24
    American
    0.65
    Beringian
    -
    Mediterranean
    1.94
    SW-Asian
    0.90

    Gedrosia K3
    E_Eurasian
    40.74
    SSA
    2.58
    W_Eurasian
    56.68

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun R View Post
    I only have 1 Syed match on genesis, and his results look distinctly southern.

    Kit: QK9100029

    Harappa:
    S-Indian
    47.88
    Baloch
    29.59
    Caucasian
    7.77
    NE-Euro
    5.45
    SE-Asian
    2.28
    Siberian
    1.16
    NE-Asian
    1.12
    Papuan
    1.24
    American
    0.65
    Beringian
    -
    Mediterranean
    1.94
    SW-Asian
    0.90

    Gedrosia K3
    E_Eurasian
    40.74
    SSA
    2.58
    W_Eurasian
    56.68
    Seems like one of those mohajir Syeds.

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    Varun, that chap is a match with my wife too.

    His results look distinctly Bihari to me. Similar to Bengali results but elevated Caucasian (which for me is the biggest differentiator West to East on the harappa World calculator) and lower but non negligible East Asian.

    There's a Bengali Syed kit that I'll dig out. Not differentiated in any way from other Bangladeshis, with H haplogroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Varun, that chap is a match with my wife too.

    His results look distinctly Bihari to me. Similar to Bengali results but elevated Caucasian (which for me is the biggest differentiator West to East on the harappa World calculator) and lower but non negligible East Asian.

    There's a Bengali Syed kit that I'll dig out. Not differentiated in any way from other Bangladeshis, with H haplogroup.
    It kind of make you think what could have been the situation that they took the identity while knowing it is not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    It kind of make you think what could have been the situation that they took the identity while knowing it is not true.
    I've wondered about that too. I don't know much about the adoption of Islam in medieval times, but I envisage the title of sayyid may well have been interpreted differently in some south asian communities compared to today's widely accepted hereditary only claim.

    For example, it may have been ascribed to scholars / pirs / awliya etc as a title, in deference - literally meaning master in Arabic. Any descendants of said scholars, or the associated sajjada nashin or successors, may well have continued the title - and formed the echelon of any muslim community, before it became more stratified in the past few hundred years.

    I say that because when Islam was introduced to Bengal in the 1200 and 1300s, Shah Jalal as an example, travelled allegedly from Turkestan in southern Kazakhstan, and picked up a band of 360 disciples from various regions before conquering and ‘settling’ in Sylhet. I don’t have an English version of the list of names (only Bengali), but many have the title sayyid, some with often very native subcontinental sounding names otherwise. Were they all truly sayyids? Unlikely – probably mureeds, converts, warriors, descendants of converts from the Delhi sultanate and beyond.

    But their descendants and their associates certainly carry on that title sayyid. And many families claim ancestry from those very ‘awliya’ with their shrines still by their family homestead.

    For many Bengali sayyids who carry native y-dna haplogroups, as well as autosomal make up – the above makes more sense, rather than any rare alawi lineage. And it also provides an alternative to a Brahmin converting to Islam and knowingly taking the title sayyid assuming descent from the Prophet.

    The same concept applies to titles like khan etc which were often bestowed by rulers at the time, and people in this day and age assume it must be related to pathans etc, though historically there probably that also probably existed.

    Shia syeds are a different case – especially in Sunni majority areas – to adopt a minority belief by Hindus makes less sense, and so as a whole, much more likely to have West Asian ancestry. But I would put Iranian ancestry for them from shia scholars and traders rather than actual true sayyid ancestry. It’s the same argument as above. There is a user here who is from West Bengal originally, shia background, and clearly has Iranian ancestry in his autosomal breakdown. Not sayyid though as far as a I know.

    Anyways this is a Bengali Syed harappaworld breakdown:

    Code:
    1	S-Indian	48.38
    2	Baloch	26.78
    3	SE-Asian	8.03
    4	NE-Asian	5.17
    5	NE-Euro	4.89
    6	Caucasian	4.62
    7	Papuan	1.16
    8	Siberian	0.61
    9	American	0.36

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    It kind of make you think what could have been the situation that they took the identity while knowing it is not true.
    Its possible, all you need is one ancestor

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    Its possible, all you need is one ancestor
    Which I doubt for a lot of syeds, as we posted two syed results here with no trace of west asian ancestry. Even the Ydna is local.

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