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    How far do your mtDna results go ?

    Currently, I am waiting for my results from FTDNA and I am just wondering.

    Is it possible that I get a result like your haplogroup is H and that's all ? Without any further letters and numbers ?

    I have read such a story about someone testing full sequence and getting such a result and now I am seriously worried.

    Have some of you tested only HVR1 and HVR2 ? What are your results ? Only one letter with haplogroup prediction ?

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    Mine is J1c3i which isn't very deep, IMO, considering that J1c traces back around 16,000 years and J1c3 around 11,000 years. You'd think in that time, my lineage would have acquired enough mutations to go out at least a few more numbers and letters than just the singular J1c3i. First, arguably, with a legitimate extra mutation of C12858T, I'm thinking that the Phylotree could eventually squeak out an extra assignment, perhaps J1c3i1. Thinking about it, they might want to make that last letter something else because the i and 1 so close will inevitably get confused with each other, but that's not important. If the Phylotree eventually separated the 185/228 variances under J1c, they might also get some more mutations on mine. Those two mutations are extremely variable under J1c for some reason and I'm suspicious they might actually mean something, but officially Phylotree just shrugs and lumps everyone together.

    So, why is my assignment relatively short when others get much longer assignments? Perhaps those long haplogroup lineages were more successful, having an explosion of carriers which resulted in many more daughter clades? Could be more favorable mitochondrial mutations or even just circumstance of time, or place. Some branches may even be more prone to mutating than others? I also think there may have been other J1c3i clades that existed but went extinct at some point. I'm guessing that my J1c3i just wasn't as successful as other clades and arguably is itself marching towards an inevitable extinction. In other words, there just aren't enough of us to compel Phylotree to form new haplogroups and we probably never really were successful on a large scale in Europe, though decently successful regionally. Or successful enough to still have descendants today. Ian Logan estimates J1c3i's at 331,200 globally. Sounds like a lot until you compare to the world population and remember that a good number are men who won't pass it down. So, assuming half are female, there might be around 165,600 J1c3i's capable of breeding more J1c3i's, though in reality, many of those won't leave descendants. Who knows, maybe there will be another ice age and my J1c3i will make a come back (J has been shown to carry mutations that favor cold tolerance.) But that's the way it goes in the fickle game of genetics. Only the fittest, and luckiest, survive. There's some fickleness in the Phylotree and naming of haplogroups, too, such that some are very well researched and identified whereas others are not. Much has to do with who is doing the testing and naming.

    Hopefully you'll get the results you hope for!

    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm
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    I tested FGS, but it has not been very helpful to put it that way..

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    I did FGS. My understanding is that without that (with only HVR1 and HVR2), I would have only gotten K, since the coding region has the relevant mutations to go beyond that for my haplogroup (K2b2). The same was true for my dad's, but since he is also a form of K2b (K2b1a1a), that would seem to follow. Don't know if this is unusual or lots of groups are like K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little bit View Post
    Mine is J1c3i which isn't very deep, IMO, considering that J1c traces back around 16,000 years and J1c3 around 11,000 years.
    Still, you have got beyond just J.

    Thank you for sharing your experience.

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    I get I3 with LivingDNA, probably around 8-9000 years old.
    Edit: The raw data file contains bot HVR and coding sequence snp's, 22 in total. I3 is defined by 239C in the HVR2.
    Last edited by Nive1526; 02-03-2018 at 10:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geborgenheit View Post
    Currently, I am waiting for my results from FTDNA and I am just wondering. Is it possible that I get a result like your haplogroup is H and that's all ? Without any further letters and numbers ?
    It is possible but most people are in one of the named subclades of H. Most of the people who test the full sequence and are only assigned to H do have extra mutations that can be useful for finding closer matches and that could eventually be assigned to a new subclade of H. There are a very small number of people who are plain H with no extra mutations, but that is quite rare.

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    Still waiting for my results, 2 months after ordering mtDNA test...

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    My wife and I tested FGS. She got H7 and I got K1a4a1f
     
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    Y-DNA leads to Isle of Skye, Scottish Highlands: R1b>M343>L278>L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>L51>L151/L11>P312>Z290>L21/M529>DF13>L513/DF1>S5668>A7>Z21253> S7834 > S7828 > BY11203 > BY11186 (about 320-550 years old)

    MTDNA leads to Glamorgan, South Wales: K1a4a1f

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    Then I did the "cheap" FTDNA test, and FTDNA put me back to J2a1.
    Then I did the full test and they put me back to J2a1a1.
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    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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