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Thread: Branches of S8183 FGC20812 what is known ?

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    Good morning, I followed the discussion. I write from the Ladine Dolomites. My mother is ladina (my mtdna U5) ... my father is from Friuli ... my Ydna is under evaluation ... for the moment they are R1b-U152, L2, Z49 .... at the moment yseq is evaluating s8183 and FG20796 .... it would be interesting to understand if s8183 of Friuli can be linked to the Lombard migrations .... another question ... in my opinion already L2 is more Celtic than italic .... z49 could be almost exclusively only Hallstatt? Thanks for the information ... I'm a neophyte ... but I'm very interested ... thanks. Greetings from the Dolomites

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    The Gauls. The story of the first sack of Rome is steeped in myth and legend, but it most likely began when the young city became embroiled in a conflict with a band of Gallic Celts led by the warlord Brennus. On July 18, 387 B.C., the two sides met in battle along the banks of the River Allia. Your Z49 S8183 Lombard Hallstatt theory makes perfect scene ! Although the Roman historian Livy of the first-centuries B. C.E. and C. E. reported a migration that occurred as early as 600 b. c.e. is suspect, there is evidence of some movement of prehistoric Hallstatt groups—peoples ancestral to the Celts—through Alpine passes to the Lombard lake district in the sixth and fifth centuries B. C.E.; typical Hallstatt burials have been found there. But the main thrust southward was at the end of the fifth century b. c.e. as successive waves of Celts arrived, each bypassing the territories of their brethren to move ever farther south. Tribes named in accounts include the Insubres, who conquered the territory around Milan; the Cenomani, who entered Brescia and Verona; the Leponti around Lake Maggiore, and the Libici and Saluvii. The Boii and Lingones passed on, moving south of the Po. Among the last to arrive, the Senones went to umbria and the Adriatic coastal zone.

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    Very interesting. For many centuries the Celtic tribes have been present in my Dolomitic areas (north-north east italy) CATUBRINES (CADORE = Catu - bhr̥ĝhā ... Hill of the battle ..) and the Celts CARNI ... My land is called COMELICO (probably from the Celtic..Cumba-lug ... valley of Lug ..) .. the mountain of my country is called DOO (celt ... DUN..DUNUM ...) .... very interesting ... they told me that they are R1b L2 Z49 S8183 ... that at this point I feel strongly Celtic ... Central Europe ... with little Italic mix ... is it possible? thank you very much
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    Hi,
    I'm Z49+ S8183+ from Italy/Friuli and I'm looking for other S8183+ from Italy.
    At the moment the total count of my search is 2 (including me), both from Friuli.
    At YFull the country of origin of my closest SNP match (around 1,000 BC) is Germany.
    Adriano

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    Hi, nice to meet you. I live in the Dolomites. My mother is of Ladin ethnic ... my father is from Friuli ... as I said yseq brought me back to L2 Z49 S8183 ... now there is an evaluation of Y4353 ... yseq refers me to a page where I saw several Friulians with Y5383 ... maybe it's also my case ... we'll see ... it would be interesting to understand the origin, in Friuli, of Y5383 ... maybe the Celtic meats? Perhaps, being s8183 predominantly north east europe ... the Lombards? Or other populations spent in Friuli? ... from what I understand, reading various documentation on the internet ... L2 is given as Italian-Celtic ... I would talk about Celtic-Alpine ... I think it's L2 and Z49 may be due probably to Central European Celts ... unfortunately I have other skills and I deal with other scientific fields professionally .... but everything is very interesting !!

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    Hi I have only tested to Y4355 formed 4500 ybp under FGC20796 and believe it to be Alpine Celtic or Continental Keltoi as the Greeks referred to us and I have no Italic ancestry my family is from south western Germany.

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    Just to recap: based on my search results, at the moment in Italy/Friuli the S8183 breakdown is the following
    4 S8183+ lines
    ...1 S22778 (NGS)
    ...1 Y4355 (23andme V5)
    ...2 generic S8183
    Adriano

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    BigY 700 results came in and my Haplogroup is R-BY129625 under R-S8183 - Y4355 - FGC20800 now I know who I am !!

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