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    Branches of S8183 FGC20812 what is known ?

    Hi just received my Z49 SNP pack results and my Haplogroup is Y4355/FGC20777 on the S8183/FGC20812 branch, I'm Negative for Y17276 and SNP Y14088 was not in the Z49 pack. I would like to know if in fact that I have reached the end of my testing as FTDNA is not recommending any other SNP testing and of course everyone says do Big Y but what would I get out of Big Y except to possibly find new SNP's on my branch ? Thank's for any feedback and help with any direction I could take !
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    Z49 SNP pack has FGC20775 = Y14088 and others in my branch: FGC20778, FGC20779, FGC20781, FGC20780, FGC20782, FGC20786.
    Y-DNA: R-Y14088 (ISOGG: R1b1a1a2a1a2b1c2b1a1a)
    mtDNA: J1c1i (J1c1 + 7735G and 8848C) Extras: 198T 12007A 16422C 16431A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Paul View Post
    Hi just received my Z49 SNP pack results and my Haplogroup is Y4355/FGC20777 on the S8183/FGC20812 branch, I'm Negative for Y17276 and SNP Y14088 was not in the Z49 pack. I would like to know if in fact that I have reached the end of my testing as FTDNA is not recommending any other SNP testing and of course everyone says do Big Y but would I get out of Big Y except to possibly find new SNP's on my branch ? Thank's for any feedback and help with any direction I could take !
    You might be positive for:
    Y4355> FGC20800, FGC20808, FGC20811, FGC20801 or
    Y4355> BY33898, BY33903, BY33902, BY33916, BY33907, BY33917, BY33920, BY33909, BY33912, BY33929, BY33918, BY33910, Y26007, BY33913 or
    Y4355> Yet to be discovered branch

    You can do some individual SNP tests for the first two, but in the long run, I think would end up spending less/learning more, if you purchased BigY during the next sale.
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    Thank's for your feedback ! As for the SNP's Petr posted I'm Negative for all of those and the SNP's Mitchell posted none are in the Z49 SNP pack so if I'm Negative for Y17276 & Y14008/FGC29775 I'm leaning toward what Mitchell posted Y4355>Yet to be discovered branch or possibly FGC20800 but FTDNA does not offer that SNP so I guess only BigY can tell !
    Last edited by Roy Paul; 02-06-2018 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Paul View Post
    Thank's for your feedback ! As for the SNP's Petr posted I'm Negative for all of those and the SNP's Mitchell posted none are in the Z49 SNP pack so if I'm Negative for Y17276 & Y14008/FGC29775 I'm leaning toward what Mitchell posted Y4355>Yet to be discovered branch or possibly FGC20800 but FTDNA does not offer that SNP so I guess only BigY can tell !
    Somebody’s got to be the first one on a new branch. 3 years ago I was the first member of a new branch based on my bigy and now we have ~30 members.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 5% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    I'm Y4355 and have found that I'm Negative for (Y17276 and Y16875), (FGC20775 and FGC20780), and S8172 so on Yfull if you are Negative for those SNP's it indicates I must be is Y14145/FGC20800, on the Big Tree it shows a small group of 4 men under Y14145 1 is from Ireland he is Y14145* with no additional SNP's the other 3 men are Czech and have additional SNP's but they are Positive for FGC20775 which I am not so I suppose I'm either with Mr. Long from Ireland Y14145* or I'm a new branch of Y14145 would I be correct in this synopsis ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Paul View Post
    ...so I suppose I'm either with Mr. Long from Ireland Y14145* or I'm a new branch of Y14145 would I be correct in this synopsis ?
    You might be with Mr Long on Y4355> FGC20800

    You might be Y4355> FGC20800> New branch

    You might be on Y4355> New branch

    You might be on Y4355>BY33898 with 414339
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    Hi just an update as to a new incoming member of Y4355 Mr. Myers kit# 635859 currently R-Y4354, I just spoke to Mr. Myers and he did the Nevgen SNP test for S8183 and it came back 97% positive for Y4355 he has purchased the Y4355 SNP from FTDNA and is awaiting his results. Mr. Myers is only 6 points of difference from me @ Y67 markers and he upgraded from Y67 to Y111 and his closest match is still me. His ancestral village in Baden Germany and is only about 100 km/62 miles from my ancestral village in Rhineland-Pfalz so quite close. As for Mitchell's suggestion regarding kit# 414339>BY33898 who is grouped with me but has 17 points of difference from me @ Y67 markers is not to my thinking as closely related as Mr. Myers is ?

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    Could somehow my R-S8183 be related to the Lombards Migration to Italy?
    Just comparing the current surname distributions of my best matches in YFull (TMRCA 2800 ybp) with mine and with the Lombard migration path.
    I know surnames and ancient migrations are like apples and oranges but just asking out of curiosity.

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    Just a question, Could S8183 be the Keltoi branch as mentioned by the Greek's and Roman's ?

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