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    Blue-eyed, dark-skinned, earliest modern Briton.

    There was a brief item on BBC news this morning about a 10,000 year-old skeleton found in the Cheddar Gorge "Cheddar man".
    DNA analysis has shown that he had blue eyes and dark skin and was not lactose tolerant.
    They have also done a facial reconstruction. No further information to share at the moment but I expect something will be released soon.

    Edit - press article https://www.theguardian.com/science/...alysis-reveals
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    Sounds like the same weird dark skin/black hair/blue eyes pigment combo found in other WHGs on the continent

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    this dude was probably i-m170
    thanks for sharing
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    p.s
    i know some hunter groups in Ukraine and scandinavia had light skin slc24a5 derived .
    but it seem most whg groups were very dark untill the farmers came and brought light skin alleles with them and agriculture

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    I didn't see it but this is mentioned in another thread Ancient DNA in the news. Supposedly 1 in 10 British people are related to him (they claim). It would be interesting to see if that stands up in archaic matching.
    They do use the word "probably"
    Was Loschbour not as portrayed below maybe?
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    That article at least seems better written than the equivalent in the "Independent", which infers Britain then was an Island, when we know at that point it was connected by Dogger land to mainland Europe.
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    Is there anything known if and when these results will be published? Wikipedia mentioned Brian Sykes had extracted mtDNA U5 from this sample and a 12.000 year old sample. Anything known if this is confirmed?

    Also, you can leave it to modern day academia to make these useless remarks:

    Tom Booth, an archaeologist at the Natural History Museum who worked on the project, said: “It really shows up that these imaginary racial categories that we have are really very modern constructions, or very recent constructions, that really are not applicable to the past at all.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    There was a brief item on BBC news this morning about a 10,000 year-old skeleton found in the Cheddar Gorge "Cheddar man".
    DNA analysis has shown that he had blue eyes and dark skin and was not lactose tolerant.
    They have also done a facial reconstruction. No further information to share at the moment but I expect something will be released soon.

    Edit - press article https://www.theguardian.com/science/...alysis-reveals
    Nice little video of him on the BBC:-
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-4297...-had-dark-skin
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    this dude was probably i-m170
    thanks for sharing
    regards
    adam

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    i know some hunter groups in Ukraine and scandinavia had light skin slc24a5 derived .
    but it seem most whg groups were very dark untill the farmers came and brought light skin alleles with them and agriculture
    Well or Haplogroup C like "La Brana 1"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubhthach View Post
    Well or Haplogroup C like "La Brana 1"
    yes
    i-m170 or C
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-reveals#img-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    Is there anything known if and when these results will be published? Wikipedia mentioned Brian Sykes had extracted mtDNA U5 from this sample and a 12.000 year old sample. Anything known if this is confirmed?

    Also, you can leave it to modern day academia to make these useless remarks:
    At the bottom of the Guardian article it says the documentary is coming out on the 18th of Feb, still to early to get confirmation from Ch4's schedule.

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