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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred89 View Post
    What is your opinon on CL47?
    Fig. 3 of the paper presents a display. For some samples the percentage of southern admixture is virtually 100%.
    CL47 has 40% southern admixture. It would be odd to call it an admixed Longbard.

    EDIT: I meant un UNadmixed Longobard.
    Last edited by Huijbregts; 11-27-2018 at 07:23 PM.

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    CL47 on Gedmatch
    Kit Num: Z610815
    Threshold of components set to 1.000
    Threshold of method set to 0.25%
    Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
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    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    #
    Population
    Percent
    1
    North_Atlantic
    39.81
    2
    West_Med
    17.78
    3
    Baltic
    17.36
    4
    East_Med
    11.89
    5
    West_Asian
    8.24
    6
    Red_Sea
    4.05


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 French @ 5.205673
    2 West_German @ 8.448330
    3 South_Dutch @ 9.159266
    4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.432345
    5 Portuguese @ 11.646420
    6 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.044484
    7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.493620
    8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.251985
    9 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.520875
    10 Austrian @ 13.976312
    11 Spanish_Valencia @ 14.277418
    12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.682674
    13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.845889
    14 North_Italian @ 14.919276
    15 Southeast_English @ 15.582659
    16 Spanish_Andalucia @ 15.600118
    17 Southwest_French @ 15.700663
    18 Serbian @ 16.811514
    19 East_German @ 16.815432
    20 North_German @ 16.817646

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Tuscan @ 2.322785


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +25% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.870208


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French + French + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.870208
    2 Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 1.927383
    3 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch @ 1.948720
    4 French + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 1.961179
    5 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 1.971860
    6 Central_Greek + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.983070
    7 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.984123
    8 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.002615
    9 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.005415
    10 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.028505
    11 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian @ 2.036980
    12 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Southwest_English + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.044366
    13 East_Sicilian + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.072854
    14 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.080592
    15 East_Sicilian + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.092473
    16 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.099024
    17 Central_Greek + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.108282
    18 French + Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.108524
    19 Irish + Norwegian + South_Italian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.116427
    20 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.119279
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K16: German/Czech/Austrian 33%, French/Belgian 23%, Portuguese/Spanish 22%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 13%
    K36: German Rheinland-Pfalz 35%, French North West 27%, Spain 27%, Ireland 11%
    G25: German 40%, French 28%, Spanish 23%, Irish 9%
    K16: German 50%, French 19%, French East 9%, Spanish 8%

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    CL47 on Gedmatch
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    Threshold of components set to 1.000
    Threshold of method set to 0.25%
    Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
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    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    #
    Population
    Percent
    1
    North_Atlantic
    39.81
    2
    West_Med
    17.78
    3
    Baltic
    17.36
    4
    East_Med
    11.89
    5
    West_Asian
    8.24
    6
    Red_Sea
    4.05


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 French @ 5.205673
    2 West_German @ 8.448330
    3 South_Dutch @ 9.159266
    4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.432345
    5 Portuguese @ 11.646420
    6 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.044484
    7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.493620
    8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.251985
    9 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.520875
    10 Austrian @ 13.976312
    11 Spanish_Valencia @ 14.277418
    12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.682674
    13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.845889
    14 North_Italian @ 14.919276
    15 Southeast_English @ 15.582659
    16 Spanish_Andalucia @ 15.600118
    17 Southwest_French @ 15.700663
    18 Serbian @ 16.811514
    19 East_German @ 16.815432
    20 North_German @ 16.817646

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% Tuscan @ 2.322785


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +25% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.870208


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 French + French + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.870208
    2 Central_Greek + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 1.927383
    3 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch @ 1.948720
    4 French + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 1.961179
    5 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 1.971860
    6 Central_Greek + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.983070
    7 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.984123
    8 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.002615
    9 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.005415
    10 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.028505
    11 French + French + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian @ 2.036980
    12 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Southwest_English + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.044366
    13 East_Sicilian + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.072854
    14 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.080592
    15 East_Sicilian + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.092473
    16 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.099024
    17 Central_Greek + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.108282
    18 French + Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.108524
    19 Irish + Norwegian + South_Italian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.116427
    20 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.119279
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K16: German/Czech/Austrian 33%, French/Belgian 23%, Portuguese/Spanish 22%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 13%
    K36: German Rheinland-Pfalz 35%, French North West 27%, Spain 27%, Ireland 11%
    G25: German 40%, French 28%, Spanish 23%, Irish 9%
    K16: German 50%, French 19%, French East 9%, Spanish 8%

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    In #1809 of this thread I demonstrated that Germany_Medieval and Longobard samples can be partially separated on PC1 of Global 25.
    Using the same methods I had a fresh look at the difference between between modern Germans and Dutch. Here is the scatterplot:
    plot_DutchGerm.jpg
    The difference along PC15 is surprisingly big. In the datasheet we find Iberomausian, Loschbour, Villabruna, WHG on the positive end of PC15 and the negative end is all Neolithic.
    This suggests that the Neolithic farmer immigration did not leave a conspicuous mark in the genetics of the Netherlands. Indeed much of the region may have been more useful for fishing and hunting than for agriculture.
    I am less sure of the robustness of the difference on PC24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huijbregts View Post
    In #1809 of this thread I demonstrated that Germany_Medieval and Longobard samples can be partially separated on PC1 of Global 25.
    Using the same methods I had a fresh look at the difference between between modern Germans and Dutch. Here is the scatterplot:
    plot_DutchGerm.jpg
    The difference along PC15 is surprisingly big. In the datasheet we find Iberomausian, Loschbour, Villabruna, WHG on the positive end of PC15 and the negative end is all Neolithic.
    This suggests that the Neolithic farmer immigration did not leave a conspicuous mark in the genetics of the Netherlands. Indeed much of the region may have been more useful for fishing and hunting than for agriculture.
    I am less sure of the robustness of the difference on PC24.
    See Vlaardingen culture, which lasted well into the age of Corded Ware.
    Last edited by epoch; 11-28-2018 at 07:23 PM.

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    "sample": "Custom:NiloSaharan_scaled",
    "fit": 1.3714,
    "Dinka": 77.5,
    "Mandenka": 10.83,
    "Malawi_Fingira_6000BP": 7.5,
    "Mbuti": 4.17

    Switching Yoruba for a further northern West-African pop (Mali) seems to have done wonders.
    I originally used Hadza for my EHG affinity but surprisingly found better results with San (SA)... I got adventurous and tried some ancient samples -- this extinct pop gave the best run "Malawi_Fingira_6000BP"

    I wonder how the ancestral breakdown of HGs in the Great Lakes region would compare; we really need Batwa pygmy samples along with the other Ik, Benet and Ogiek HGs.
    PuntDNAL K8
    Population: Hidden Content 46.16, Ubangian_Congo 9.56, W_Benue_Congo 24.21, Eastern_HG 2.09, E_Benue_Congo 12.94, Omotic 5.05
    Single Population Sharing: Hidden Content 14.17, Hidden Content 17.26, South_Sudanese 25.21, South_Sudan_Anuak 25.65, Cameroon_Mada 28.57, Ethiopian_Gumuz 33.91, Kenyan_Maasai 36.07, Kenyan_Bantu 38.05, Chad_Kaba 40.04, DRC_Hema 42.08, Kenyan_Luhya 46.64

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    sample": "Custom:AGUser_SWAHILLI_PRINCE16",
    "fit": 2.2194,
    "K50_West_African": 65,
    "K50_Ethiopian_Anuak": 27.5,
    "K50_Yemenite_Arab": 5,
    "K50_Abkhasian_Georgian": 1.67,
    "K50_Malawi_San": 0.83,

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    Hi, Helgenes50. How did you get your qpAdm results?
    Thanks in advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spanishguy View Post
    Hi, Helgenes50. How did you get your qpAdm results?
    Thanks in advanced.
    HI Spanishguy,

    The last qpAdm results I posted in the French forum, were run by Anglesqueville. I only did those of Global25 with nMonte.
    My results from David Wesolowski's Ancestry Detective Service:

    West British (Britonic?) 42.3%
    Continental Northern and Eastern European 36.6%
    Central French 21.1%

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    Hi again, Helgenes50.
    So, can you do the graph by only using the coordinates? Nice. I’d like to try it if I only knew. On a side note, can dates of interbreeding be estimated?
    Last edited by spanishguy; 04-17-2019 at 12:09 PM.

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