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    Picts/Caledonians, Britons and Gaels, what's the difference?

    Please help me with this, I've been trying to find an answer to this question for a long while now. Is there any genetic difference within the population of Britons, Caledonians and Gaelic people?

    Were they practically genetically the same and separated only linguistically and culturally, or was the separation more than this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerceptionDeception View Post
    Please help me with this, I've been trying to find an answer to this question for a long while now. Is there any genetic difference within the population of Britons, Caledonians and Gaelic people?

    Were they practically genetically the same and separated only linguistically and culturally, or was the separation more than this?
    I think we'll need some ancient dna to sort that out, but my guess is, based on their descendants, that they were all mostly R1b-L21 on the y-dna side and a lot like the Bell Beaker people autosomally.

    Since the Celts were a patriarchal Indo-European people sorted into tribes and clans based on kinship, we might see differences in L21 subclades among the different groups.

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    They surely had other subclades of R1b-P312 as well, at least Britons. Roman-era samples prove this.

    They also had some I2 of course.

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    It seems that the Gaels had/have an Iberian influence that Britons and Caledonians don't have

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerceptionDeception View Post
    It seems that the Gaels had/have an Iberian influence that Britons and Caledonians don't have
    Not at all. What gave you that idea?

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    Tacitus describes the Picts as rutilae (red haired) and tall if I remember correctly, whilst the Gaels seem to be considered more swarthy generally.

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    I remember reading a study that some modern day Irish (and some people in south Wales I believe) with traditional Celtic surnames have Iberian y chromosomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerceptionDeception View Post
    It seems that the Gaels had/have an Iberian influence that Britons and Caledonians don't have
    A lot of the stuff linking Iberia and Ireland Y-DNA wise is quite dated. If there's any particularly deep Iberian affinity with Irish, it's probably either the fact that Megalithic farmers from the Atlantic facade, including Ballynahatty from Ireland c3300bc, seem to share something with Iberian farmers (despite most EEF in British Beakers coming from Central Europe...there must have been some influence though):

    http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/2/368.full.pdf
    Outgroup f3 statistics indicated that Ballynahatty shared most
    genetic drift with other Neolithic samples with maximum scores
    observed for Spanish Middle, Epicardial, and Cardial Neolithic
    populations, and the Scandinavian individual Gok2 (SI Appendix,
    Section S12.1). D statistics confirmed these affinities. Interestingly,
    both the Spanish MN individuals and Gok2 also belong to Megalithic
    passage tomb culture
    Or possibly Atlantic cist tradition with Irish genes going the other way in the Bronze Age, to Iberia. Which may also explain Q-Celtic in Iberia:

    Atlantic cist tradition.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerceptionDeception View Post
    I remember reading a study that some modern day Irish (and some people in south Wales I believe) with traditional Celtic surnames have Iberian y chromosomes.
    Nah. Look at the Olalde et al paper. There is little resemblance to Iberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Nah. Look at the Olalde et al paper. There is little resemblance to Iberia.
    Ah OK I'll have a look. What do you personally believe caused a separation between the Caledonians/Picts and the Britons?

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