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Thread: Is that an image of a Giraffe in Cave paintings of Bhimbetka, India

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    If anybody wants to refresh his or her memory on how to hunt a giraffe with simple equipment, there's film. These guys didn't have horses, and the chase lasted several days while the poison took effect. I saw this in grad school (Anthropology) 40 years ago, and it wasn't fresh then. It also wasn't digital, in the 1970s they still used a movie projector. https://archive.org/details/huntersfilmpart1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimore1937 View Post
    Weren't there Giraffes in Arabia and that region in prehistoric times? If so, they could've spread to India back then. The whole antelope-Bovid cloven-hoof group spread from Asia to Africa way back when. They did not originate in Africa.
    Two giraffe species (meaning proper giraffes) known as Giraffa priscilla and Giraffa sivalensis were found in the Siwalik Hills region of Pakistan and Western India.



    However, these species became extinct in South Asia before the arrival of modern day humans, so the the rock painting is most likely in reference to sivatherium.
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    If this creature is being hunted by men on horseback, then how can that creature be sivatherium? The horse was only domesticated in the Eurastian steppes in 3500 BC by which time it would have already been extinct. And yes, I did read somewhere about the geography of India being more suited to giraffids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    If this creature is being hunted by men on horseback, then how can that creature be sivatherium? The horse was only domesticated in the Eurastian steppes in 3500 BC by which time it would have already been extinct. And yes, I did read somewhere about the geography of India being more suited to giraffids.
    A few possibilities:
    Sivatherium existed until much later.
    The painting are not that old and the sivatherium is imagined
    Horses of the Siwalik type were present until the Late Pleistocene/Mesolithic period or perhaps there were Przewalski's* horses in the region.

    *Przewalski's were thought to be wild but are actually descended of the first domesticated horses - the Botai (the current domesticated horses have a different non-Botai origin.)
    "based on DNA results, Botai horses didn’t give rise to today's modern domesticated horses—they gave rise to the Przewalski horses ... these early domestic horses gave birth to now feral Przewalski's"
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...azakhstan-spd/
    http://science.sciencemag.org/conten...ao3297/tab-pdf

    And supposedly the Przewalski's have the same number of ribs - 34 - as the Arabian and the Rg Vedic horse!
    There also was a report of a birdled domesticated horse in Arabia from 7000 BC. http://blogs.nature.com/houseofwisdo...n_saudi_a.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    A few possibilities:
    Sivatherium existed until much later.
    The painting are not that old and the sivatherium is imagined
    Horses of the Siwalik type were present until the Late Pleistocene/Mesolithic period or perhaps there were Przewalski's* horses in the region.

    *Przewalski's were thought to be wild but are actually descended of the first domesticated horses - the Botai (the current domesticated horses have a different non-Botai origin.)
    "based on DNA results, Botai horses didn’t give rise to today's modern domesticated horses—they gave rise to the Przewalski horses ... these early domestic horses gave birth to now feral Przewalski's"
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...azakhstan-spd/
    http://science.sciencemag.org/conten...ao3297/tab-pdf

    And supposedly the Przewalski's have the same number of ribs - 34 - as the Arabian and the Rg Vedic horse!
    There also was a report of a birdled domesticated horse in Arabia from 7000 BC. http://blogs.nature.com/houseofwisdo...n_saudi_a.html
    Not sure I understood-are you saying that the animal being hunted is a type of wild horse? I’d say it’s proportion and size make it clearly distinct from a horse considering there are horses being ridden in the same drawing. If sivatherium has managed to survive by the time steppe people arrived in that part of India then I’d assume there’s be some kind of written accounts of giraffe like animals from the time period. I hope to god it’s true though. The idea of Indo-Aryans encountering and hunting down giant giraffes is really cool.

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    Check it out here are biomes in Asia during the last ice age. India was mainly grassland/Savannah.
    CF7678E7-5AD1-433E-A0F3-8AA496399EBB.png

    Some say giraffes went extinct as a result of it being converted to forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    Check it out here are biomes in Asia during the last ice age. India was mainly grassland/Savannah.
    CF7678E7-5AD1-433E-A0F3-8AA496399EBB.png

    Some say giraffes went extinct as a result of it being converted to forest.
    Interesting... I don't know how accurate the map is, but if true and India was majority grassland that then became wooded, then it was ideal for not only the Giraffe but also some form of Horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulblighter View Post
    Interesting... I don't know how accurate the map is, but if true and India was majority grassland that then became wooded, then it was ideal for not only the Giraffe but also some form of Horse.
    I think it is accurate.
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

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