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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    They performed the work of scribes and accountants, but so did many with the pillai surname( Kanakku Pillai.....Like BMG mentioned it means " high one"...also it could mean overseer- Mel + nokki= menokki=menon...
    come to think of it Kayasthas could also be thought of as counterparts of nairs, ....but not sure whether they had arms-bearing /military roles.
    'Karuneegar' is a caste in TamilNadu, India. They are sometimes called as "kanakku pillai" which means "accountant" or "book keeper" in Tamil.
    Is Kanakku Pillai originally a Tamil word?

    https://karuneegars.blogspot.com/p/a...aruneegar.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by discreetmaverick View Post
    Is Kanakku Pillai originally a Tamil word?

    https://karuneegars.blogspot.com/p/a...aruneegar.html
    Kanakku is common to both tamil and malayalam.....it means maths/ arithmetic....or calculate

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Sanda and Sandro forms are seen.
    As well as Cottus and Coptus.
    I.e., Chanda/Chandra and Gutta/Gupta.

    The Greeks were aware of/transliterating both Prakrit and Sanskrit forms of the name.

    In Karnataka, we still see the town Guttal - form of Gutta. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttal
    So, Sandrocottus is transliteration of Sanskrit-Chandragupta and Prakrit - Candragutta

    How do you explain this?

    Tissaphernes (445 BC – 395 BC) was a Persian soldier and statesman, Satrap of Lydia.
    According to the wiki,

    Greek name - Tissaphernes is transliteration of Persian Chithrafarna, Tissa - Chithra, and Phones - farna

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tissaphernes

    In the following cases has paali borrowed the greek transliteration form of Persian Chitra, tissa?

    Devanapriya Tissa
    Moggaliputta Tissa
    Tissarakkhā

    or from Sanskrit tishya ?

    Will transliteration of Persian, Chitra into Sanskrit will it result in tishya?

    Like, tissa - tishya

    Another Similar one is,

    Kassa(pa) - Kashya(pa)

    There existed a city by the name Kassa in Asia minor during ancient Greek times. How this word entered Ancient greek vocab, if it is not from Ancient greek itself?

    Kassa was a town of ancient Bithynia. Its name does not occur in ancient authors but is inferred from epigraphic and other evidence.[1]
    Its site is located near Sapanca in Asiatic Turkey.[1][2]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha...Therav%C4%81da

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devana...f_Anuradhapura

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moggaliputta-Tissa

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishyaraksha
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    South of our area the story given is that the Indo-Aryans (Asurya, Sarak) were the earlier inhabitants, followed by the Austro Asiatic tribes (Munda, Santhal, Ho, etc.), followed by the Dravidians (Oraon etc.). We also have some Tibeto Burman influence but still mainly on the periphery.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=ul6fWJQOfzwC&pg=PA185
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/41498253?seq=1
    https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...nd-maps/oraons

    "Historians largely believed that the Oraons settled in Chotanagpur plateau around 100 B.C. They also call themselves Kurukh as their language is Kurukh.5
    Like most of the Adivasis of India, they are also devoid of written ancestral literature. Adivasi languages
    in Jharkhand belong to two language families – Austro-Asiatic and Dravidian. Kurukh
    and Malto belong to the Dravidian family and the rest to the Austro-Asiatic family.
    Kurukh is spoken in the districts of Gumla, Simdega, Lohardaga, and Ranchi by the
    Oraons, whereas Malto, a Dravidian language, is spoken by the Sauria Paharias and Mal
    Paharias. The Sauria Paharias are found in the Rajmahal Hills of Santhal Parganas. The
    areas in which the Oraons live in Jharkhand are close to the capital and urban settlement.
    So they normally speak Hindi or use Sadari as a language to communicate with non
    Oraons. In addition to it, in other states of India where Oraons are found as Chattisgarh,
    Orissa, West Bengal and Assam, they are well versed with the language of the
    mainstream be it Hindi, Assamese, Bengali or Odia"
    Journal of Adivasi and Indigenous Studies, Vol. VIII, No. 2, August 2018
    Encyclopedia link you shared mentions

    Historians indicate this may have occurred around 100 BC.
    But doesn't say how and which historians, do you know on what basis they arrived at this conclusion? or if I missed something, let me know.

    If you look at the language tree, Malto-Kurukh is classified as the Northern Branch of Dravidian languages along with Bruhai.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurukh...vidianTree.png
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    ravindran, kayanattil, Kayanattil, Puthumanachira

    one of my brothers mathces on 23 and me has these last names listed does anyone recognize any of them
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by karnalIroh View Post
    ravindran, kayanattil, Kayanattil, Puthumanachira

    one of my brothers mathces on 23 and me has these last names listed does anyone recognize any of them
    thanks
    Kerala?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Kerala?
    maternal ancestors :Kattukulam, Palakkad, Kerala, India
    paternal ancestors :Mararikulam, Alappuzha, Kerala, India

    yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by karnalIroh View Post
    ravindran, kayanattil, Kayanattil, Puthumanachira

    one of my brothers mathces on 23 and me has these last names listed does anyone recognize any of them
    thanks
    hi)..do they have gedmatch numbers??...all appear to be from Kerala, Ravindran is kerala hindu presumably..could be any caste, the other 3 could be Hindu or Christian, basically they are Tharavad names- could even be muslim...need their gedmatch numbers and emails

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    hi)..do they have gedmatch numbers??...all appear to be from Kerala, Ravindran is kerala hindu presumably..could be any caste, the other 3 could be Hindu or Christian, basically they are Tharavad names- could even be muslim...need their gedmatch numbers and emails
    actually its only one person who has listed all these as his family surnames on 23 and me dont know if he is on gedmatch ive sent this person email he hasnt replied yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    Thiyyas- may be due to buddhists from north india settling in kerala( dharmadam in north malabar was a buddhist centre in ancient times).
    Do you know, what are evidence/s that have been presented for the claim Thiyya/Ezhava had a Buddhist past?
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