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    just as an anecdote

    I am 6 feet and seem to be taller than most guys, lets say around 60-70% that I've met, and then the rest are taller than me, usually not by alot, 1 or 2 inches

    this has been true in the 4 canadian ontario cities I have lived in...Toronto, Ottawa, Windsor and Sault ste mare and in Toronto, with many ethnic pals not of western decent

    ...I played university and/or semi pro football as well, in 3 of those cities and for obvious reasons, you would think those guys were taller than the norm due to the power athleticism needed for that sport, and yet I was still taller than many

    what might be of interest is due to the nature of my work, there are about 200 staff where I work, most male, all law enforcement and I still am taller than most guards and inmates at 6 ft, which kind of surprises me to be honest, I would have thought in Canada, with all the benefits we have, I would have been more 'average' due to all the good nutrition, self selection issue and such

    reading the various posts of folks talking about factors that help height, I would have thought that at least my work places and sports teams experiences would have pushed the general average of height up, but it seems not
    I don't mean to say I tower over most, I don't, but it is noticeable the second you start to measure yourself up against them

    I know for damn sure that I cannot ever fit through some of the old stone doorways you see in authentic castles and other ancient buildings, both height and width wise
    ...there is no doubt that generally, these last some generations of folks in the West at least, are way taller/bigger than a few hundred years ago
    hailes-castle-small-doorway.jpg
    (ps-stock photo off the net but this guy does not look like he himself is a very big guy, so that is a way small doorway)

    anyway, interesting discussion although I really dont have a dog in the fight, but I would say height is based mostly on 3 things, in order
    1-food/nutrition/healthy environment
    2-personal family genetics (some families clearly have 'size' patterns or tendencies, regardless of where born and raised it seems)
    3-your general 'ethnicities' (for lack of a better term, sorry if its the wrong one) genetic trend

    anyway, thats my 2 cents

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    European height may not necessarily be only a modern-day phenomenon due to Europe's high modern-day development levels. (Quality) protein consumption may have more to do with it:
    https://www.livescience.com/58671-ta...h-hunters.html

    The article contains a lot of speculation on causes but is based on this paper:
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...98/rsos.161054

    From the paper: ''Even more importantly, the unusually tall stature of Upper Paleolithic males from the Gravettian culture has been documented by archaeological findings. Dočkalova & Vančata [26] estimated a mean height of 176.3 cm in Gravettian males from Moravia (n = 15) and 182.7 cm in Gravettian males from the Central Mediterranean (n = 11).''

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    . . .

    I know for damn sure that I cannot ever fit through some of the old stone doorways you see in authentic castles and other ancient buildings, both height and width wise
    ...there is no doubt that generally, these last some generations of folks in the West at least, are way taller/bigger than a few hundred years ago
    . . .
    When I was in Ireland a few years ago, I had a devil of a time getting into and walking down the little hallway just to take a peak into the dungeon at Bunratty Castle. People certainly must have been short and slight back in the Middle Ages. I almost didn't go because I was afraid I wouldn't make it and would get stuck.

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    In this matter I think nutrition is a more important factor than genetics. I think higher dairy intake and more important calcium intake are the main reason why the dutch tend to be taller than other populations. I recall there were studies that showed significant differences in height of children vs their dairy intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squad View Post

    The Cushites are also very tall, I'm familiar with the Somalis and their average is currently about 183-184cm for the young generation born and raised here and I believe the Ogaden Somalis from Ethiopia are even taller. Note that populations that were subjected to a lot of food deprivation will require more time to attain their optimal stature so maybe the Somalis could surpass even the western Sahelians, though I'm not sure. I'm also very well acquainted with the Chadians and they're easily as tall as the Somalis.
    There is no difference in height between Somalis.An Ogaden is just as tall as a Cisse,Abgaal,Habar Awal etc

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    When I was in Galway back in 2013 I noticed that a lot of the young guys seemed very tall, like 6-3 and up. Then I noticed the same thing in Wales in 2015, with some very huge (not only tall but bulky, as well) rugby-looking types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    When I was in Galway back in 2013 I noticed that a lot of the young guys seemed very tall, like 6-3 and up. Then I noticed the same thing in Wales in 2015, with some very huge (not only tall but bulky, as well) rugby-looking types.
    You tend to notice people taller than yourself, which creates a false impression of how tall the general population is. I think it is pretty accurate to say that the average height in the UK is around 5ft10, and not taller than 5ft11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    In this matter I think nutrition is a more important factor than genetics. I think higher dairy intake and more important calcium intake are the main reason why the dutch tend to be taller than other populations. I recall there were studies that showed significant differences in height of children vs their dairy intake.
    Could be a contribution. Otherwise the last 150 years the Dutch growth was 20 cm. But Dutch drunk 150 years ago also a big amount of milk and ate lots of cheese. And in Switzerland they consum lots of milk products too, still they are a lot smaller.

    I guess itís a combination of (Steppe) genes, nutrition, welfare and natural selection....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    When I was in Ireland a few years ago, I had a devil of a time getting into and walking down the little hallway just to take a peak into the dungeon at Bunratty Castle. People certainly must have been short and slight back in the Middle Ages. I almost didn't go because I was afraid I wouldn't make it and would get stuck.
    Not quite, they were shorter than modern individuals, but not too much. The following sources are a bit old, but afaik still hold true

    https://news.osu.edu/men-from-early-...modern-people/

    https://www.quora.com/How-tall-were-...Medieval-times
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