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    Proxy indicators of Nordic influence in (NW) Europe?

    During the big migration time (around the fifth century AD) and afterwards in the Viking age (early middle ages) Scandinavian tribes went to parts of (Northwest) Europe especially around the North Sea: England, Scotland, Ireland, Normandy, Friesland for example. In these area's the influence of them is still recognizable in the auDNA.

    The topic here is, what are good 'proxy indicators' for their influence?


    For example:
    - a high west Norwegian core in the Eurogenes K15 admixture;
    - a score between the Swedish-Germanic and early Anglo-Saxons on the Northern European PCA
    - a Scandic score on the new Global 25 also by David Eurogenes.
    - ?????

    A first posting by Helgenes:
    Quote Originally Posted by Helgenes50 View Post
    These populations are probably better for a Norman, but it's interesting to compare and see what you get compared to us

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post350381

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post350396

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post350401

    [1] "distance%=0.9842"

    Vestri:

    Norwegian,58.6
    Swedish,16.6
    French,14
    Icelandic,10.8

    and Finn, very close

    [1] "distance%=0.5687"

    Finn

    Swedish,44.6
    Norwegian,26.6
    Icelandic,16.6
    French,12.2

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    @Helgenes, first of your links show that the influence of the Nordics is somewhat lower in Normandy than in parts of England and Friesland. I guess that could be expected because the initial impact in the early middle ages was somewhat bigger in England and Friesland than obviously Normandy. And maybe the influence afterwards of central France on the population in Normandy was bigger?

    Anyway regarding the indicators what does the difference between Vestri and I regarding Swedish or Norwegian mean? Are there available samples in Global 25 of West Norwegians?

    I did a little study to detect the differences in the Scandic tribes in the early ages! I see a big overlap in the Southern Scandinavian tribes either Norwegian or Swedish....

    See for example the Ynglings often corresponding with Yngvi or Ingveaonic tribes....here we see a Southern Scandic overlap:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yngling
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yngvi

    and
    http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=481

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    @Helgenes, first of your links show that the influence of the Nordics is somewhat lower in Normandy than in parts of England and Friesland. I guess that could be expected because the initial impact in the early middle ages was somewhat bigger in England and Friesland than obviously Normandy. And maybe the influence afterwards of central France on the population in Normandy was bigger?
    First Finn, to open a thread on this topic is a good Idea.
    Thanks for that

    In Cotentin ( NW Normandy ex Armoric), we are a mix of Celts and Nordic, not surprising

    But donít forget that some of these French samples have already Germans( Franks, saxons, sueves, Burgondes, Goths....) in their ancestry without forgetting Irish ancestry for Icelandic
    I donít know if you have seen the Jessieís results ?

    Some of the Norwegian samples are probably from NW Norway, but it is not indicated

    It could be interesting to add new samples in a few days
    Recent Ancestry, full Normand. Known Genealogy 7/8 of the Cotentin peninsula 1/8 region of Coutances. Unfortunately, there are many missing branches on the maternal side.

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