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    Hey guys. My maternal Ydna results came a few days ago and it shows that my mothers side belong to E-V13 although the markers seem to be unique and my maternal uncles seem to have no matches at 37 markers but the do have matches at 12 and 25 markers, most matches seem to come from NW and Central Europe with some Balkanites(Pomaks, Bulgarians, Arvanites). The closest match on both Y12 and Y25 is a German(?) from southern Czechia who going by the SNPs he has tested he is just E-V13*. We still don't know the exact subclade as it's hard to determine a subclade of V13 with only 37 markers so I will buy a SNP pack later this month or next month. My mothers side are from Borove in Diber(North eastern Albania). Would be interesting to see what clade you guys think my maternal uncles belong to going by STRs or by close matches on the E-M35 project if you are an admin there or involved there. Thanks

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    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    BUMP!
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    My advice to Balkan people is to look first to other Balkan matches and ignore the West European. I remember how many members of R1b-BY611 wasted money to test under L21, claiming most of their matches were under this Atlantic branch.
    My opinion is these results are under V13->Z5018->S2979, you have a couple of Bulgarians with Big Y matching there.

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    I don't think the fella Bulgarians are real matches, they just appear to be close due to convergence. Getting the SNP pack would the best option, and also upgrade up to 67 markers if you could in the future.

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    Yes, it is hard to predict the V13 subbranch even with 67 markers. You can use also the tool Fetch a Match on the Haplozone project, it shows matches with more than 5 differences, the limit at 37 STR on FTDNA:
    http://www.haplozone.net/e3b/project/match
    I have entered your results there and some of your closest matches are also from the Middle East S7461+

    (26) Matches found at a distance <= 6

    GD kitnum surname haplo snp cluster 393 390 19 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 gatah4 ycaiia ycaiib 456 607 576 570 cdya cdyb 442 438
    5 B22545 McLemore E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 15 18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 16 17 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 32 34 11 10
    5 625496 DAWSON D-78 E1b1b1 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 16 16 9 12 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 36 11 10
    5 289974 Smith E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 15 18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 16 17 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 30 34 11 10
    5 467313 Kee E1b1b1a L117 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 15 16 16 16 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 35 11 10
    5 176680 Fattal E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 14 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 19 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 30 34 11 10
    5 191415 Demir E1b1b1a V13 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 13 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 20 30 33 11 10
    6 274490 Hristov E1b1b1a BY5350 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 31 32 11 10
    6 E14425 Gacaferi E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 16 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 20 30 34 11 10
    6 310294 Savalchak E1b1b1a BY5610 E-L241 14 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 16 16 17 17 9 12 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 33 10 10
    6 371277 Coquard E1b1b1a BY6420 E-V13 13 24 13 10 17 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 36 12 10
    6 5960 Bartlett E1b1b1a Z17264 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 14 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 501872 Silikyan E1b1b1 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 15 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 31 34 11 10
    6 254329 Litvinov E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 17 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 21 32 34 11 10
    6 186894 Bryant E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 14 16 16 16 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 N92783 Bozovic E1b1b1 E-V13 13 25 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 31 33 11 10
    6 122881 Boyer E1b1b1 E-V13 13 23 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 22 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 20 30 35 11 10
    6 N19717 Wolfinger E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 16 21 32 34 11 10
    6 402393 Grammont E1b1b1b L542 E-V13 13 25 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 14 16 16 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 19 32 37 11 10
    6 E8272 Abdurrahmani E1b1b1a L241 E-L241 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 16 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 15 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 338942 Altmeier E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 18 19 29 35 11 10
    6 EV13 Modal E1b1b1b V13 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 34 11 10
    6 167532 Zarzaliev E1b1b1a L542 E-V13 13 25 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 14 16 16 9 11 19 21 17 12 16 19 34 34 11 10
    6 422356 Gage E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 20 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 21 34 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 30 37 11 10
    6 210110 O'Bryant E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 14 16 16 16 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 547074 Sharp E1b1b1 13 24 13 10 16 17 11 12 10 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 18 30 34 11 10
    6 153169 Kronen E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 16 18 31 35 11 10

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    Did the Thracian Auxilla unit that may have carried this branch go to the middle east? Maybe left with Roman soldiers, or even carried during the Byzantine Empire. Perhaps his Bulgarian matches are only due to a Thracian link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    Yes, it is hard to predict the V13 subbranch even with 67 markers. You can use also the tool Fetch a Match on the Haplozone project, it shows matches with more than 5 differences, the limit at 37 STR on FTDNA:
    http://www.haplozone.net/e3b/project/match
    I have entered your results there and some of your closest matches are also from the Middle East S7461+

    (26) Matches found at a distance <= 6

    GD kitnum surname haplo snp cluster 393 390 19 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 gatah4 ycaiia ycaiib 456 607 576 570 cdya cdyb 442 438
    5 B22545 McLemore E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 15 18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 16 17 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 32 34 11 10
    5 625496 DAWSON D-78 E1b1b1 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 16 16 9 12 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 36 11 10
    5 289974 Smith E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 15 18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 16 17 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 30 34 11 10
    5 467313 Kee E1b1b1a L117 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 15 16 16 16 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 35 11 10
    5 176680 Fattal E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 14 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 19 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 30 34 11 10
    5 191415 Demir E1b1b1a V13 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 13 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 20 30 33 11 10
    6 274490 Hristov E1b1b1a BY5350 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 31 32 11 10
    6 E14425 Gacaferi E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 16 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 20 30 34 11 10
    6 310294 Savalchak E1b1b1a BY5610 E-L241 14 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 16 16 17 17 9 12 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 33 10 10
    6 371277 Coquard E1b1b1a BY6420 E-V13 13 24 13 10 17 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 19 30 36 12 10
    6 5960 Bartlett E1b1b1a Z17264 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 14 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 501872 Silikyan E1b1b1 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 15 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 31 34 11 10
    6 254329 Litvinov E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 17 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 21 32 34 11 10
    6 186894 Bryant E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 14 16 16 16 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 N92783 Bozovic E1b1b1 E-V13 13 25 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 31 33 11 10
    6 122881 Boyer E1b1b1 E-V13 13 23 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 22 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 20 30 35 11 10
    6 N19717 Wolfinger E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 16 21 32 34 11 10
    6 402393 Grammont E1b1b1b L542 E-V13 13 25 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 14 16 16 9 11 19 21 16 12 16 19 32 37 11 10
    6 E8272 Abdurrahmani E1b1b1a L241 E-L241 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 16 16 16 17 9 11 19 21 15 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 338942 Altmeier E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 18 19 29 35 11 10
    6 EV13 Modal E1b1b1b V13 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 34 11 10
    6 167532 Zarzaliev E1b1b1a L542 E-V13 13 25 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 32 14 14 16 16 9 11 19 21 17 12 16 19 34 34 11 10
    6 422356 Gage E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 20 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 21 34 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 19 30 37 11 10
    6 210110 O'Bryant E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 11 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 14 16 16 16 9 11 19 21 17 12 17 19 30 33 11 10
    6 547074 Sharp E1b1b1 13 24 13 10 16 17 11 12 10 13 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 16 12 17 18 30 34 11 10
    6 153169 Kronen E1b1b1 E-V13 13 24 13 10 16 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 33 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 17 12 16 18 31 35 11 10
    The closest matches are still mainly from Western Europe though? From what I have seen the only close match from West Asia is an Udi from Azerbaijan and is S7461 suggesting European origin. So going by this would you assume that the clade is S7461 or Z5018?
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Did the Thracian Auxilla unit that may have carried this branch go to the middle east? Maybe left with Roman soldiers, or even carried during the Byzantine Empire. Perhaps his Bulgarian matches are only due to a Thracian link.
    The people from the Middle East with the S7461 branch have European paternal origin although I’m not sure where from exactly. I think the Balkan matches are due to convergences like Skerdi said. The S7461 in west Europe though is believed to come from Balkan troops in the Roman army
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    S7461 is the major V13 branch in the Middle East and I don't think it is due to recent European origin like Ottoman Turks, etc. This is in fact the most widely spread V13 branch, which, for now has been found on the Balkans among Bulgarians and Pomaks only.
    It will be interesting if you are the first Albanian with it, but you don't fit any of the close STR Albanian clusters, so it will not be that common there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    S7461 is the major V13 branch in the Middle East and I don't think it is due to recent European origin like Ottoman Turks, etc. This is in fact the most widely spread V13 branch, which, for now has been found on the Balkans among Bulgarians and Pomaks only.
    It will be interesting if you are the first Albanian with it, but you don't fit any of the close STR Albanian clusters, so it will not be that common there.
    It seems to have a earlier expansion there then from Europe/Balkans possibly due to Romans or Greeks/Macedonians maybe. In the Balkans it has also been found among a Greek iirc.
    Last edited by Kelmendasi; 02-19-2018 at 11:19 PM.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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