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    Understanding 6th-Century Barbarian Social Organization and Migration through Paleoge

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/02/20/268250

    Understanding 6th-Century Barbarian Social Organization and Migration through Paleogenomics

    Carlos Eduardo G Amorim, Stefania Vai, Cosimo Posth, Alessandra Modi, István Koncz, Susanne Hakenbeck, Maria Cristina La Rocca, Balazs Mende, Dean Bobo, Walter Pohl, Luisella Pejrani Baricco, Elena Bedini, Paolo Francalacci, Caterina Giostra, Tivadar Vida, Daniel Winger, Uta von Freeden, Silvia Ghirotto, Martina Lari, Guido Barbujani, Johannes Krause, David Caramelli, Patrick J Geary, Krishna R Veeramah

    doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/268250

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    Despite centuries of research, much about the barbarian migrations that took place between the fourth and sixth centuries in Europe remains hotly debated. To better understand this key era that marks the dawn of modern European societies, we obtained ancient genomic DNA from 63 samples from two cemeteries (from Hungary and Northern Italy) that have been previously associated with the Longobards, a barbarian people that ruled large parts of Italy for over 200 years after invading from Pannonia in 568 CE. Our dense cemetery-based sampling revealed that each cemetery was primarily organized around one large pedigree, suggesting that biological relationships played an important role in these early Medieval societies. Moreover, we identified genetic structure in each cemetery involving at least two groups with different ancestry that were very distinct in terms of their funerary customs. Finally, our data was consistent with the proposed long-distance migration from Pannonia to Northern Italy.
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    From supplementary:

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    Table S9.2. Haplogroup attribution for 37 Medieval and 1 Bronze age individuals				
    				
    Site		label	haplogroup		last downtream SNP	major distribution
    Collegno	CL38	E1b1b1a1b1a3		PF2211	Balkans, Southern Italy
    		CL31	G2a1a1			Z6644	Caucasus, Balkans, Central Europe, Italy, Sardinia
    		CL63	I1a3			Z79	Central Eastern Europe
    		CL23	T1a2b			L446	Southern Europe
    		CL110	R1b1a2a			M694	Europe
    		CL53	R1b1a2a			PF6434	Europe
    		CL57	R1b1a2a1a		L151	Western Europe
    		CL93	R1b1a2a1a		L151	Western Europe
    		CL145	R1b1a2a1a		L151	Western Europe
    		CL146	R1b1a2a1a		L151	Western Europe
    		CL92	R1b1a2a1a		L52	Western Europe
    		CL84	R1b1a2a1a2c1g1a1	Z381	Central Europe
    		CL30	R1b1a1a2a1a2		S116	Central Europe, Italy
    		CL49	R1b1a1a2a1a2b1a		Z367	Central Europe, Italy
    		CL94	R1b1a1a2a1a2f		S11987	Central Europe, Italy
    		CL121	R1b1a2a2		Z2103	Eastern Europe, Caucasus
    				
    Szólád		SZ18	E1b1b1a1b2		CTS2817	Italy, Iberia, North Africa
    		SZ45	I1a1b1			L22	Central Europe, Scandinavia
    		SZ12	I2a2a1			CTS9183	Balkans, Central Europe
    		SZ14	I2a2a1			CTS9183	Balkans, Central Europe
    		SZ24	I2a2a1			CTS9183	Balkans, Central Europe
    		SZ43	I2a2a1a2a1a		S391	Central Europe
    		SZ3	I2a2a1b2a2		S390	Germanic region
    		SZ13	I2a2a1b2a2a2		ZS20	Germanic region
    		SZ22	I2a2a1b2a2a2		ZS20	Germanic region
    		SZ7	I2a2a1b2a2a2		ZS20	Germanic region
    		SZ36	T1a1a			PF5620	Italy, Iberia
    		SZ15	R1a1a1b1a3a		S200	Northern and Eastern Europe
    		SZ4	R1b1a2a1a1b		Z16	Central and Western Europe
    		SZ16	R1b1a2a1a1c		Z381	Central Europe
    		SZ23	R1b1a2a1a1c		Z381	Central Europe
    		SZ2	R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b2a1b1a	L130	Central and Western Europe
    		SZ11	R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1a1	Z351	Central Europe, Italy
    		SZ27B	R1b1a1a2a1a2		S116	Central Europe, Italy
    		SZ37	R1b1a1a2a1a2		S116	Central Europe, Italy
    		SZ42	R1b1a1a2a1a2		S116	Central Europe, Italy
    		SZ5	R1b1a1a2a1a2a1b		CTS1595	Central Europe, Italy
    				
    Szólád(bronze)	SZ1	R1a1a1b2a2a		Z2123	Eastern Europe, Caucasus

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    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
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    Unfortunately the paper has this part completely wrong:

    A consistent
    percentage of haplotypes belongs to the I haplogroup (26.4%), both in the I1a and, more
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    Balkans with a westward gradient in central and western Europe
    , with some lineages
    belonging to I2a2a1b particularly common in the Germanic region91
    .

    This branch of I2-M223, well...as far as I know, all living M223 men are more common in historically "Celto-Germanic" regions, so I suspect there must have been confusion with the M423 branch. Even a quick look at Yfull will show M223, and the CTS9183 SNP is overwhelmingly west-central European.
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    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    thanks rozenfeld
    so there were 2 e-v13 samples in the lombard remains
    maybe some of the e-v13 was brought by barbarian tribes like the lombards .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    thanks rozenfeld
    so there were 2 e-v13 samples in the lombard remains
    maybe some of the e-v13 was brought by barbarian tribes like the lombards .....
    My friend only one of the E samples is E-V13 the other is E-V22.

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    Most of the E-V13 in Italy has likely been there since long before the "Barbarian" invasions.
    Last edited by J Man; 02-20-2018 at 11:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    My friend only one of the E samples is E-V13 the other is E-V22.
    my mistake
    wow realy
    than the e-v22 is more exotic fascinating
    best regards
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