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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    Thanks for the post Waldemar! Any chance of Y-DNA or aDNA testing on this guy? His burial is near enough to the Saale (Wettin territory - looking at google maps that is less than 100 miles using the scale measurement) that if he turned out to be U106 I would have my fingers crossed he might be sub group DF98 (Wettin's sub group)... I still have a feeling it was a cluster or core of Unetice culture in Northern Germany that then spread DF98 later... based on the DF98+ Unetice man from Jinonice near Prague and later DF98 results!
    caution
    the text reveals that his family stemmed from 'eastern europe ?eurasia'
    thuringia at this time was already frankish -so maybe the lord of boilstädt was of the wendish stream the landnahme beyond the elbe around this very time a vassal/ally of the merovingians; what im trying to say is maybe this time M458!
    https://www.mdr.de/thueringen/west-t...taedt-100.html
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    Interesting..."Seine Vorfahren waren aus einem Gebiet deutlich weiter östlich von der Fundstelle eingewandert, aus dem heutigen Osteuropa oder sogar aus Asien."

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    caution
    the text reveals that his family stemmed from 'eastern europe ?eurasia'
    thuringia at this time was already frankish -so maybe the lord of boilstädt was of the wendish stream the landnahme beyond the elbe around this very time a vassal/ally of the merovingians; what im trying to say is maybe this time M458!
    https://www.mdr.de/thueringen/west-t...taedt-100.html
    Ahh so more likely R1a... yes if he was from further East - is that in relation to his autosomal and Y-DNA? Anyone know if his genome is available for public study - like how we ran the Y-DNA of the Niederstotzingen guys?

    Edit: It seems he was about the size (height/build) similar to 6drif-3 who was about 181cm possibly as tall as 185cm and heavy build etc... :-)!

    Also I can't wait for the day when basic DNA analysis can always include Y-DNA :-).

    Additionally it would help to know the overall context of the burial ground where he was found - as the article mentions that he is not "related" to another man similar to him buried near him? Per the article: "There is no relation to a second warrior, also found and examined by the archaeologists in good condition at Sundhausen, Hummel continued."
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    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania - Sergeant in US 17th Infantry, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817. I share these SNPs w/ York Gladiator 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Interesting..."Seine Vorfahren waren aus einem Gebiet deutlich weiter östlich von der Fundstelle eingewandert, aus dem heutigen Osteuropa oder sogar aus Asien."
    I believe this is the same burial site as our Thuringian - says it's Mervingian - if it's Germanic migration then probably U106 there as well... http://www.academia.edu/34858502/Bur...Boilst%C3%A4dt
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania - Sergeant in US 17th Infantry, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817. I share these SNPs w/ York Gladiator 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    stumbled over the wikipedia(german) page dedicated to the Boilstädt site, seems to have been updated over night

    Die Analyse der väterlichen Abstammung zeigte, dass der Ursprung der Familienlinie des "Herrn von Boilstädt" im östlichen Europa zu finden ist, der des zweiten Kriegers im westlichen Europa liegt

    as i suspected it is based on the paternal line, realm of the thuringians was eclipsed by the franks ~531 i know this from northern bavaria aka franconia that this void then left was the start shot for the wendish landtaking (>saale/uppermain-rednitz/regnitz/pegnitz) the lord was 30-35 years and dead/buried ~600 so this fits with the wendish landtaking; these details now could indeed culminate to M458, decent 50/50 chance, would be awesome if true the wends up to elbe/saale exactly the context where my Ypaternal line derives from and this would add some prominance to it;

    edit: the 'second warrior' was buried 60years after the lord and he had a western Ypaternal line dark hair and brown/green eyes;
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    stumbled over the wikipedia(german) page dedicated to the Boilstädt site, seems to have been updated over night

    Die Analyse der väterlichen Abstammung zeigte, dass der Ursprung der Familienlinie des "Herrn von Boilstädt" im östlichen Europa zu finden ist, der des zweiten Kriegers im westlichen Europa liegt

    as i suspected it is based on the paternal line, realm of the thuringians was eclipsed by the franks ~531 i know this from northern bavaria aka franconia that this void then left was the start shot for the wendish landtaking (>saale/uppermain-rednitz/regnitz/pegnitz) the lord was 30-35 years and dead/buried ~600 so this fits with the wendish landtaking; these details now could indeed culminate to M458, decent 50/50 chance, would be awesome if true the wends up to elbe/saale exactly the context where my Ypaternal line derives from and this would add some prominance to it;

    edit: the 'second warrior' was buried 60years after the lord and he had a western Ypaternal line dark hair and brown/green eyes;
    I'd love to see some Thuringian samples tested for aDNA because of the association of Wettin with DF98... see what Y-DNA the early Thuringians carried etc... I wonder if that second guy was Frankish? I was researching the connection between some of the tribes who ended up around Munich (early Baiuvarii - also our AED 106 Z305+ and Altheim 1 DF96+ guy)... and how they had ties to Elbe area via pottery found in Bohemia and then around the Roman forts... do you think they left Thuringia and the Wends moved in?

    Edit: also elbe/Saale... the Saale is basically where Wettin is...
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania - Sergeant in US 17th Infantry, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817. I share these SNPs w/ York Gladiator 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Who are the Szólád samples that cluster around central-northern Italy? What is their origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitellia View Post
    Who are the Szólád samples that cluster around central-northern Italy? What is their origin?
    Do you have the grave numbers of the ones in question? The paper listed them by SZ "number"... for example a sample that was positive for U106+ was labeled SZ 11: SZ 11: R-M269>U106/S21>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347>Z328> FGC10367>Z319>S1734>~2222759 2-T-A>FGC13489>hg38:20038474-A-C by A. Williamson: male aged 35-45 years of age. Skull shape: Hyperdolichocrany. Height: 175.5 ± 3.5 cm. Grave goods: Lance. Stress markers and selection of relevant pathologies: Cribra orbitalia; healed right hip and right humerus fracture; osteoarthritis; spondylosis; periodontitis. Autosomal: 100% CEU+GBR \

    If you have the grave or sample "numbers" you can perhaps gain some knowledge of them from the paper here: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/02/20/268250
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania - Sergeant in US 17th Infantry, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817. I share these SNPs w/ York Gladiator 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Interesting..."Seine Vorfahren waren aus einem Gebiet deutlich weiter östlich von der Fundstelle eingewandert, aus dem heutigen Osteuropa oder sogar aus Asien."
    This guy seems to have tested with AncestryDNA, because I received just the same ethnicity map for the part of my ethnicity that is eastern German/Polish - from somewhere between Berlin and Beijing, they reckon.

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    I did G25 checkfit obviously Szolad SZ 27 has NW German roots? This sample is number 10 on my list.....


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