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    The Golden man fron Varna chalcolithic necropolis was T-M184

    Some of the genomes from the previous study "The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe" were published and analysed by Genetiker.
    The "Golden man", the burial with the largest gold collection found in prehistoric Europe is identified as haplogroup T-M184. Previously he was only CT in the study. Anather sample from Varna, previously R1, is now proven R1b-V88.

    https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018...astern-europe/

    ē ANI152 / VAR43
    Supine inhumation of a mature-senile male (50-65 years). The grave is extraordinary richly
    furnished with seven heavy copper implements, more than 1000 single gold items, jewelry
    made out of the shells of Spondylus and imported minerals, and highly sophisticated flint
    tools. The social interpretation of VAR43 is mainly based on the rich grave goods and only in
    small part based on the so far reported anthropological data. Muscle marks on the skeleton
    show that the bones were exposed to great physical stress until shortly before his death. The
    strong muscles of his lower arm even suggest continuous work. The bones from VAR43 show
    arthritis on the cervical spine, the hands, and the feet. The left hip and especially the left knee
    were also affected. A squatting facet on the left tibia of the individual can be seen as an
    indication for preferentially sitting in squatting position, which hints at a working position.
    The presence of calculus on the teeth points to a diet containing protein. However, there is no
    evidence of cavities or so-called enamel hypoplasia, which is typically seen as an indicator of
    stress during childhood development and could point to periods of malnutrition. This implies
    a continuously good diet and could in itself be taken as a sign of higher social status of the
    individual. Due to its outstandingly rich inventory, the grave shows strong interactions in a
    social network analysis with many others in the course of the chronological development of
    the cemetery. Within this network the strongest relations are given to some symbolic graves
    at the very end of the development of Varna I, which is confirmed by positioning of VAR43
    into the 6st phase of the cemetery in the correspondence analysis.

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    Seriously cool! I remember reading about the Golden Man in the past and wondering what his y-dna haplogroup might be.

    I've mentioned elsewhere that a friend of mine just last month got a T-M70 (downstream of M184 and L206) result from 23andMe. I'll have to let him know about this. He'll be interested.

    I wonder how many wives this king had and how many offspring. Does he have living descendants? I wonder.

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    Interesting stuff for sure.

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    The first exercises of Bulgarian anthropologists to reconstruct the face by the skull are quite lame. Hope they will try again with the latest computer technologies.
    Here are more photos from a Bulgarian site about experimental archaeology, where they explain how they recreated the clothes and Neolithic surrounding.

    http://badamba.info/live/experimenta...l#chalcolithic
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    Thanks for your stimulating and visual presentations. It's hard to think that opulence seems to have been a part of the process of civilization. The cost of wealth is more about inequality. The choices of how we see the pictures and the reality of behavior has it's realities.

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    I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Not reliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

    GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

    Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
    East European HG---------------------------29%
    Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
    Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
    Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Anatolia_ChL 22.89

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    I am Iranian and we are both T-M184. We have 2 matching segments that are 25.3 cM and 25.4 cM. Does this mean anything given the sample has less than 11k snps?

    Also, that reconstruction looks like my dad.

    Note, my mom shares 0 cM with him.
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    Actually, no, this is the biggest lie we have been told. Civilization arose without inequality. In fact, these elite men from the Varna culture are the first evidence we have of status hierarchies. The status hierarchies arose in harsh desert environments among simple pastoralists, whereas civilization arose as egalitarian. The Neolithic Copper Age civilizations were all egalitarian, both in South Asia (Mehrgarh, a city of 25,000), eastern europe, anatolia (Catal Huyuk), the middle east, north africa, china, the british isles (Skara Brae).

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