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    Balkan T-184

    Sample ANI152/VAR43
    Stated as T-M184
    Age 50 to 65
    High protein diet
    Found on black sea coast Bulgaria
    Varna culture
    Over 1000 gold jewelry item found in grave


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-L22 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    He was around 1'75m height and has a very worked body. Is there any original picture of the skull? I have not found yet.

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    There is a nice post that includes a photo recreation of this king, the "Golden Man of Varna", here in the Balkan subforum.

    I mentioned over on another thread back on 13 January 2018 that a friend of mine just that day got his T-M70 result from 23andMe. I hardly ever see him anymore, but I'll have to catch up with him on Facebook and let him know about this. He'll be interested.

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    I think he could be associated with the 2 x T1 samples found in Malak bulgaria who are over 1000 years older, neolithic ........this is cris culture and Malak is not very far from where this persons grave is

    Is there any "closeness" in Cris and Varna cultures?


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    Another "bulgarian" is CL23 ( T1a2a ydna ) in the lombard paper ..............noted as BUL in the propres regional report.
    he also sits next to Bergamo in PCA charts.

    there seems to be many T ydna coming from the area of coastal bulgaria ............where the danube reaches the black sea........modern Varna

    The area was known as proper thracia under the later
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odrysian_kingdom

    so we have the earliest T ydna samples ( 2 ) beginning from Neolithic times ( malak samples )


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    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-L22 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Not reliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

    GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

    Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
    East European HG---------------------------29%
    Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
    Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
    Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Anatolia_ChL 22.89

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    Results of I0700 and I1108 in GEDmatch:

    T1a1a I0700 de Malak Preslavets 7550 200 yBP

    Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

    Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers---------41%
    ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------26%
    Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------19%
    Early_European_Farmers---------13%
    Others----------------------------------1-3%

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 HungaryGamba_BA2 11.88

    Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

    Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------47%
    ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------21%
    CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------17%
    EastHG------------------------------------------16%

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Europe_MNChL 27.31

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    T1a1a I1108 de Malak Preslavets 7550 200 yBP

    Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

    Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers---------40%
    Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------28%
    Early_European_Farmers---------17%
    ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------14%
    Others----------------------------------1-3%

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Bell_Beaker_LN1 8.06

    Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

    Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------43%
    CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------25%
    EastHG------------------------------------------17%
    ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------14%

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian 21.52

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndresT View Post
    I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Not reliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

    GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

    Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
    East European HG---------------------------29%
    Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
    Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
    Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Anatolia_ChL 22.89
    his K36
    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian 3.89
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 8.39
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med 0.81
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French 6.39
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 30.41
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 12.30
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 10.14
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 5.31
    West_Med 22.36

    I will see results with other tools when I have time .............or someone else can run


    Varna culture

    Eurasia K14 Neolithic Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Early_European_Farmers 26.63
    2 SW_Asian 24.49
    3 Kalash 16.36
    4 Sub_Saharan 10.79
    5 S_Indian 10.59
    6 Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers 8.75
    7 E_African 2.40


    Finished reading population data. 122 populations found.
    14 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Hungarian_BA3 @ 23.126680
    2 HungaryGamba_IA @ 35.839336
    3 Hungarian_BA5 @ 36.616791
    4 Armenian_BA2 @ 37.912025
    5 Hungarian_BA1 @ 38.235889
    6 Nordic_BA1 @ 40.037029
    7 Hungarian_BA7 @ 40.971169
    8 Armenian_IA @ 41.655067
    9 HungaryGamba_BA1 @ 42.192787
    10 Kostenki_14 @ 42.586525
    11 Hungarian_BA6 @ 42.804176
    12 RISE_baSca @ 44.432426
    13 Bell_Beaker_LN4 @ 44.932983
    14 Stuttgart @ 46.186165
    15 RISE_baSca @ 46.194447
    16 Bell_Beaker_LN2 @ 46.361080
    17 Bell_Beaker_BA1 @ 46.461285
    18 Bell_Beaker_LN3 @ 47.929764
    19 Corded_Ware_BA2 @ 48.143253
    20 Hungarian_BA8 @ 48.834335

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kostenki_14 +50% Hungarian_BA3 @ 22.722174


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Hungarian_BA3 +25% Hungarian_BA3 +25% Ust_Ishim @ 18.883570
    Last edited by vettor; 03-22-2018 at 04:49 AM.


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-L22 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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