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    R1b-U106 from Únětice Culture 2200–1700 BC

    The final edition of the Olalde et al paper, The Beaker Phenomenon and the Genomic Transformation of Northwest Europe, appeared in Nature today.

    One of the new samples was an R1b-U106 male, I7196, from a Únětice Culture burial site at Jinonice in the Czech Republic dated to 2200-1700 BC.

    He was buried with a bronze hair ring, a bone awl, and some flints.
     


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    Did they analyse the samples any finer than U106 ? or is this not possible? I was interested in "1881–1646 calBCE, BB_The_Netherlands, De Tuithoorn, Oostwoud, Noord-Holland, Lat/Long: 52.733563 5.096183", as I'm part of a small group of U106/S1688/By11542 some with paper trails back a 500 - 800 years to ancestry lies close by (Kent, Brabant, near Calais). However a LOT of U106 live around Holland today.
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/135962-1.pdf lines 1893-1905 is interesting

    edited to add : line 460 I4070/skeleton 230 barrow I-M7: 1881–1646 calBCE
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/SAMEA104408069

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB23635

    Interesting that find "R1b-U106 male, I7196, from a Únětice Culture burial site at Jinonice in the Czech Republic dated to 2200-1700 BC." probably predates Oostwoud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan_Noack View Post
    Did they analyse the samples any finer than U106 ? or is this not possible? I was interested in "1881–1646 calBCE, BB_The_Netherlands, De Tuithoorn, Oostwoud, Noord-Holland, Lat/Long: 52.733563 5.096183", as I'm part of a small group of U106/S1688/By11542 some with paper trails back a 500 - 800 years to ancestry lies close by (Kent, Brabant, near Calais). However a LOT of U106 live around Holland today.
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/135962-1.pdf lines 1893-1905 is interesting

    Interesting that find "R1b-U106 male, I7196, from a Únětice Culture burial site at Jinonice in the Czech Republic dated to 2200-1700 BC." probably predates Oostwoud.
    I7196= R1b-U106>Z381>Z156>S497/Z304.

    The U106 sample from Oostwoud is still R1b-U106. Experts from R1b-U106 project are going to check the files of these samples if they can narrow it down.

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    Genetiker and some of the other guys with sufficient computer power are analyzing the samples from Olalde et al to see if they can squeeze from them some SNP calls further downstream.

    Genetiker's progress can be monitored here.

    He'll get to I7196 eventually.
     


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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Genetiker and some of the other guys with sufficient computer power are analyzing the samples from Olalde et al to see if they can squeeze from them some SNP calls further downstream.

    Genetiker's progress can be monitored here.

    He'll get to I7196 eventually.
    Yeah I7196 is in my group at the higher levels Z304 etc... as you can see in my signature etc. I know the U106 yahoo group sure has plans to tease a few more SNPs out of raw data similar to what they did for 6drif-3 and 3drif-16... if it's possible.
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4?) - Sílastađir in Eyjafjarđarsýsla, North Iceland is T2b2b. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Did you all catch this post from Alex Williamson?
    I know now rms2! Thanks for the heads up :-)!
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    The final edition of the Olalde et al paper, The Beaker Phenomenon and the Genomic Transformation of Northwest Europe, appeared in Nature today.

    One of the new samples was an R1b-U106 male, I7196, from a Únětice Culture burial site at Jinonice in the Czech Republic dated to 2200-1700 BC.

    He was buried with a bronze hair ring, a bone awl, and some flints.

    This looks no coincidence,
    Finn [1] "distance%=0.9722"

    Insular_Celtic,74.8
    Hungary_BA,15.2
    Central_Europe,6
    Baltic_BA,4

    This is a Tumulus from Drouwen/Drenthe/NorthDutch, my mothers auDNA region:

    In the year 1927, A.E. van Giffen (1930, I: pp. 84-93; II: Abb. 78; cf. Butler, 1971, with further references) excavated the battered fragment of a prehistoric burial mound at Drouwen, and uncovered one of the richest Early Bronze Age graves ever found on the North European plain (fig. 16a- c). For richer Early Bronze Age burials we must go as far as the Fürstengräber of the Saale valley in Saxo-Thuringia, or the equally pretentious tumuli on the western end of the Armorican peninsula, or the richest of the chiefly graves of Wessex.

    By luck, the central inhumation burial under the Drouwen tumulus was still almost entirely un disturbed when van Giffen got there. He found, in a rectangular pit under a four-post mortuary house, a warrior’s grave, presumably that of a chiefly person. None of his grave goods - the sword with decorated blade; the flanged axe (geknickte Randbeil); the set of finely worked flint arrowheads; the polished whetstone; the flint strike-a-light; the coiled-wire gold earrings - are at all likely to be of local manufacture; they are all rare objects in the Netherlands. Probably the warrior himself came from a distance; though it is of course possible that he was a local figure who had acquired exotic accoutrements. Almost all the items have parallels in the ‘Sögel’ (or ‘Sögel-Wohlde’) group of Early Bronze Age male burials, extending across Northwest Germany to Jutland and Mecklenburg and southward to Hessen, though none of them contain so much of them all together. But, if the Drouwen has shown that the tumulus was surrounded by a ring-ditch some 30 metres in diameter argues that in life he must have had local authority.

    The sword came from the Moravian-Hungarian room.....

    Even the cloths of Sögel-Wohlde were from a West-Hungarian model:



    The woman of the Sögel-Wohlde culture in Drenthe/North Dutch were at that time the only one in the Dutch area with amber necklaces:

    "The Weser route must, in particular, have been an important north-south highway by which amber and metals were exchanged between Denmark and Schleswig-Holstein, the Liineburger Heide region, Hessen, and other regions of the Central European Hiigelgrabkultur"

    https://ugp.rug.nl/Palaeohistoria/ar...le/24902/22350

    And than a map of R1b S21/ U106, hey an hotspot in North Dutch but also in the Unetice area!





    http://mobilitas.ri.btk.mta.hu/?medi...posium&lang=en

    Wrap up Vandkilde :
    The breakthrough of the Nordic Bronze Age (NBA) c. 1600 BC as a koiné within Bronze Age Europe can be historically linked to the Carpathian Basin. Nordic distinctiveness entailed an entanglement of cosmology and warriorhood, albeit represented through different media in the hotspot zone (bronze) and in the northern zone (rock). In a Carpathian crossroad between the Eurasian Steppes, the Aegean world and temperate Europe during this time, a transcultural assemblage coalesced, fusing both tangible and intangible innovations from various different places. Superior warriorhood was coupled to beliefs in a tripartite cosmology, including a watery access to the netherworld while also exhibiting new fighting technologies and modes of social conduct. This transculture became creatively translated in a range of hot societies at the onset of the Middle Bronze Age. In southern Scandinavia, weaponry radiated momentous creativity that drew upon Carpathian originals, contacts and a pool of Carpathian ideas, but ultimately drawing on emergent Mycenaean hegemonies in the Aegean. This provided the incentive for a cosmology-rooted resource from which the NBA could take its starting point.
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    One add from Prof. L. Kooijmans:

    ''The northern Netherlands is part of the northern group (NW Germany and Denmark) especially of the Sögeler Kreis characterized by a number of distinctive men's graves. The Drouwen grave is the best known Dutch example. It's remarkable that the Elp culture has never been presented as the immigration of a new group of people. Because clearly this period was a time when a number of new elements made their entry while others disappeared. The disappearance of beakers, the appearance of the Sögel men's graves with the first 'swords', among other things, the fully extended burial posture, under barrows; all the factors have been reason enough in the past to conclude that the Elp culture was an immigration of Sögel warriors."

    The Uneitce derived Sögel-Wohlde warriors are most probably the cause of a founder effect of R1b U106. That was after the BB period (Sögel-Wohlde, Elp is about 1700 BC). So this was to late for the BB spread and 'take over' on the Isles.

    During the Nordic Bronze Age R1b U!06 took hold along the continental North Sea coast (from the Northern Lowlands, NW Germany to Jutland) and during the big migration in the iron age/ early middle ages it set foot on the Isles and spread to lager parts of Europe primarily in NW Europe (Belgium, Northern France etc) and even went (with the Vikings) to Sicily etc.

    The Elp/Sögel Wohlde culture in red:

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