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    What is the relationship between South Indian Dravidians and Austro-Asiatic Tribals?

    My understanding is this:

    Dravidians are the result of interbreeding between Iranian Neolithics and the native Austroloid people of India, whereas the Austro-Asiatics were relatively spared from such mixing. Is there anything I'm missing?

    Also how did Austro-Asiatics get a large amount of east Asian mixture whereas Dravidians appear to lack this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    My understanding is this:

    Dravidians are the result of interbreeding between Iranian Neolithics and the native Austroloid people of India, whereas the Austro-Asiatics were relatively spared from such mixing. Is there anything I'm missing?

    Also how did Austro-Asiatics get a large amount of east Asian mixture whereas Dravidians appear to lack this?
    Not sure how this holds up in formal scientific studies, but Dravidian tribals seem to have as much Iran Neolithic as they have Yamnaya. Of course this assumes there was truly the ASI population devoid of any West Eurasian like ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Not sure how this holds up in formal scientific studies, but Dravidian tribals seem to have as much Iran Neolithic as they have Yamnaya. Of course this assumes there was truly the ASI population devoid of any West Eurasian like ancestry.
    That would be a pretty small amount then, no? Yamnaya is pretty modest outside NW India and especially non-Brahmins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    My understanding is this:

    Dravidians are the result of interbreeding between Iranian Neolithics and the native Austroloid people of India, whereas the Austro-Asiatics were relatively spared from such mixing. Is there anything I'm missing?

    Also how did Austro-Asiatics get a large amount of east Asian mixture whereas Dravidians appear to lack this?
    Dravidians don't lack any East Asian. They get around 5-10% if I'm not mistaken. And they get 15% SE Asian on K9 ASI, although K9 inflates the SE Asian for everybody. At least that's what I noticed in the results of a Telugu guy.

    Austro-Asiatics are of Southeast Asian origin so that's where the admixture comes from. The pre-Aryan pre-Dravidian people of India were either mostly or significantly an Austro-Asiatic speaking people before they got replaced by the Dravidians and then the Indo-Aryans (in North India).

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    Austro Asiatic tribes seem to have south east Asian like mixture as well aside from the ancient ASI. That's why they're more spread out in east or south east part of India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Dravidians don't lack any East Asian. They get around 5-10% if I'm not mistaken. And they get 15% SE Asian on K9 ASI, although K9 inflates the SE Asian for everybody. At least that's what I noticed in the results of a Telugu guy.

    Austro-Asiatics are of Southeast Asian origin so that's where the admixture comes from. The pre-Aryan pre-Dravidian people of India were either mostly or significantly an Austro-Asiatic speaking people before they got replaced by the Dravidians and then the Indo-Aryans (in North India).
    Which dravidian got 5-10 percent east Asian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Which dravidian got 5-10 percent east Asian?
    He was Telugu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    The pre-Aryan pre-Dravidian people of India were either mostly or significantly an Austro-Asiatic speaking people before they got replaced by the Dravidians and then the Indo-Aryans (in North India).
    What's the evidence for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    What's the evidence for this?
    Significant parts of Eastern India still speak Austro-Asiatic languages (Munda, etc). There is a decent chunk of Southeast Asian DNA in India concentrated mainly in the east and south.

    Here is a report on the Austro-Asiatic-speaking Munda and their Southeast Asian origin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21740156

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Significant parts of Eastern India still speak Austro-Asiatic languages (Munda, etc). There is a decent chunk of Southeast Asian DNA in India concentrated mainly in the east and south.

    Here is a report on the Austro-Asiatic-speaking Munda and their Southeast Asian origin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21740156
    If the Munda people are marked by y-Hap O2a1 then they actually came more recently than we think from SE Asia - around the same time ANI and ASI started mixing or slightly earlier

    A serial decrease in expansion time from east to west: 5.7  0.3 Kya in Laos, 5.2  0.6 in Northeast India, and 4.3  0.2 in East India, suggested a late Neolithic east to west spread of the lineage O2a1-M95 from Laos.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...12147/abstract

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