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    Is anyone willing to help me trace my Middle Eastern Origins? (read pls)

    Because as far as i know my MENA is mixed, and should be around 10-23%, the 10%> mark is definite as Doug McDonald and Mephisto both calculated it to be above 10%, however since my average european on Gedmatch is 52-54.5%, which i calculated aswell, i took almost every test there was, added the amounts of european together, divided them by the amount of tests i ran, and then i got to a score of 54.7% Or so. But IF my calculations are correct and it's indeed around 53% then i use this calculation.

    53% European + 25% North/West African + 2% Amerindian + 20% MENA = 100%


    ^ This could very well be accurate however 3-4% Of my African is North African, so if you add that up to my Middle eastern

    20+3 = 23%

    20+4 = 24%, which could make sense as to why Middle eastern populations do not show up on Eurogenes, MDLP, and PuntDNAL Calculators, because it's a minority of my ethnicity and it's lower than my African, and not even my African shows on oracle pops.

    However here this to help you judge.

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    Comparing Kit M560080 (*ivecome2talkwithyouagain) and T892307 (*Tunisian Jew I.F.)

    Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
    Mismatch-bunching Limit = 25 SNPs
    Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM


    Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
    1 15,625,303 17,879,137 3.8 278
    1 240,780,197 242,500,292 3.6 235
    2 217,164,812 218,584,812 3.3 273
    3 172,618,501 174,457,225 4.2 307
    5 36,314,647 38,601,396 3.5 362
    5 178,694,698 180,434,927 3.1 272
    6 41,751,223 43,872,529 4.6 328
    6 51,038,000 53,510,638 3.1 422
    8 139,899,978 140,990,521 3.0 289
    10 2,982,399 3,760,014 3.9 219
    10 117,990,509 120,205,188 4.8 454
    12 4,114,010 5,140,783 3.1 304
    13 111,883,939 113,371,998 3.5 278
    15 24,038,317 25,087,882 3.5 261
    16 780,598 1,936,076 3.7 205
    17 71,905,276 73,048,581 3.5 260
    17 73,179,531 74,109,718 3.3 230
    19 40,378,915 43,991,202 3.1 386
    19 54,900,907 56,300,367 5.9 322
    19 59,505,574 60,359,618 3.1 204
    22 23,934,477 24,958,105 3.2 229
    Largest segment = 5.9 cM
    Total of segments > 3 cM = 77.0 cM
    21 matching segments

    402134 SNPs used for this comparison.
    ========


    Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 WHG 29.44
    2 W_African 23.71
    3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 12.75
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.04
    5 SW_Asian 10.94
    6 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 9.91
    7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.37


    Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
    9 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Croatian @ 28.551857
    2 Hungarian @ 28.883076
    3 Bulgarian @ 28.918781
    4 Tatars @ 29.170622
    5 French @ 29.638973
    6 Spanish @ 30.036901
    7 Scottish @ 30.094067
    8 Ukrainian @ 30.585007
    9 English @ 30.746456
    10 Czech @ 30.797022
    11 RISE_baBb @ 31.255447
    12 Albanian @ 31.352463
    13 Norwegian @ 31.617016
    14 Greek @ 32.370045
    15 Tuscan @ 32.396545
    16 Russian @ 32.499977
    17 Icelandic @ 32.956333
    18 French_South @ 33.075897
    19 Belarusian @ 33.182449
    20 Maltese @ 33.602562

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Icelandic +50% Masai @ 13.999241


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Estonian +25% Lebanese +25% Yoruba @ 3.563088


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
    1 Azeri + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.769839
    2 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.769839
    3 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.769839
    4 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.932170
    5 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.932170
    6 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.932170
    7 Esan + Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.105168
    8 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.105168
    9 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.105168
    10 Esan + Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin @ 3.138795
    11 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.138795
    12 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.138795
    13 Armenian + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.198879
    14 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.198879
    15 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.198879

    =============

    Eurasia K3 Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 W_Eurasian 70.71
    2 SSA 24.63
    3 E_Eurasian 4.66


    Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
    3 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Yemen @ 6.961379
    2 BedouinA @ 16.483727
    3 Jordanian @ 21.202770
    4 Palestinian @ 22.186718
    5 Syrian @ 22.687027
    6 Makrani @ 23.260059
    7 Yemenite_Jew @ 23.740688
    8 Saudi @ 24.097925
    9 Lebanese @ 24.929094
    10 Brahui @ 26.553122
    11 Balochi @ 26.774252
    12 Iranian @ 27.331972
    13 Kurd_C @ 28.814047
    14 Turkish @ 28.826607
    15 Tajik_Pomiri @ 30.079639
    16 Kurd_SE @ 30.190075
    17 Balkar @ 30.339142
    18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.998453
    19 Iraqi_Jew @ 31.145370
    20 Kurd_N @ 31.159136

    ========

    Ancient Eurasia K6 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    gedrosia K6 Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
    2 Natufian 27.76
    3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
    4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
    5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
    6 East_Asian 1.34


    Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
    6 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
    2 Algerian @ 20.177343
    3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
    4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
    5 Libyan @ 26.871412
    6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
    7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
    8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
    9 Croatian @ 28.133266
    10 Romanian @ 28.206146
    11 Russian @ 28.245659
    12 Spanish @ 28.378586
    13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
    14 Czech @ 28.744583
    15 Scottish @ 28.818592
    16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
    17 English @ 28.919888
    18 French @ 28.978497
    19 Finnish @ 29.012388
    20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
    2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
    3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
    4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
    5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
    6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
    7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
    8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
    9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
    10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
    11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
    12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
    13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
    14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160
    15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.680161
    16 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese + WHG @ 0.680161
    17 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian @ 0.743273
    18 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.743273
    19 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.778317
    20 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Kurd_C + Palestinian @ 0.802877

    ============


    Africa9 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Europe 46.71
    2 SW_Asia 21.84
    3 W_Africa 21.07
    4 NW_Africa 5.17
    5 S_Africa 2.20
    6 San 1.83
    7 Biaka 1.18


    Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
    9 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
    2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.523413
    3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
    4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
    5 Druze @ 39.301552
    6 Egypt @ 39.909996
    7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
    8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
    9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
    10 Libya @ 46.390274
    11 North_African_Dodecad @ 47.745167
    12 Algeria @ 53.506958
    13 Bedouin @ 57.382694
    14 Morocco_N @ 59.759953
    15 French_Basque @ 60.481731
    16 Yemen_Jews @ 62.802704
    17 Moroccans @ 63.570690
    18 Morocco_S @ 63.636944
    19 Luhya @ 64.830467
    20 Bantu_N.E. @ 65.287796

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Fulani +50% Tuscan @ 19.305805


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% North_Italian +25% Yoruba @ 5.560930


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Brong + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.292991
    2 French_Basque + Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.523308
    3 French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.658659
    4 Brong + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.698521
    5 French_Basque + Igbo + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.975921
    6 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.985883
    7 French_Basque + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.000863
    8 Brong + French_Basque + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews @ 3.191340
    9 French_Basque + Igbo + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.200177
    10 Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.284655
    11 French_Basque + Jordanians + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews @ 3.290316
    12 Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.294896
    13 French_Basque + Hausa + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.328845

    ==========

    Jtest Ethnicity Calculation:


    57.65% European

    20.75% West African

    20.26% Broad Middle Eastern, AJ + West Asia + East Med + West Med + Mideast + SA + NA

    1.35% Amerindian
    ===========

    ^ Close to 60% European

    ^ Almost 21% West african which is correct.

    ^ 20% Broadly middle eastern, which is also correct in correlation to my calculations.

    ^ around 1.5% Amerindian, should be a bit higher but still accurate as it's there.


    So how i calculated my Broad middle eastern is basically this.

    4.88% West Med (Morocco, Algeria, etc) + 2.82% Ashkenazi + 2.41% East Med + 1.84% West Asia + 1.97% Mideast + 1.50% South Asian as i also have Afghan ancestry + 4.84% "East African", which is probably also just North African as i don't have East african ancestry.

    So that equals to 9.72% North african ancestry, which is around what Mephisto and Doug McDonald guessed, 9.72% + 10.54% Broadly Middle eastern = 20.26% MENA, if this happens to be correct because i do not know how "Middle Eastern" Afghanistan is, but the cultures seem alike to me i guess. However if Afghanistan does not count for middle eastern then you just subtract 1.50% from 20.26% which is = 18.76% MENA then.

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    ^ to help you judge my phenotype and possibly ancestry ill just put 1 picture in


    my kit number on Gedmatch is: M560080


    i would appreciate it if anyone could help because i am coming close to a end when it comes to figuring out my MENA because its incredibly hard, it was explained to me why my DNA looks alike to that of a North African is because of my 3/4 West eurasian and 1/4 Subsaharan mix.

    once again thank you and have a nice day.
    Last edited by joconbomama; 02-28-2018 at 01:48 PM.

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