Page 13 of 13 FirstFirst ... 3111213
Results 121 to 125 of 125

Thread: Conversa de café

  1. #121
    Registered Users
    Posts
    857
    Sex
    Location
    Lisbon, Portugal
    Ethnicity
    Western Meseta Iberian
    Nationality
    Portuguese
    Y-DNA
    E-Y31991 > PF4428
    mtDNA
    H20

    Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadogowah View Post
    Trying to post a link from wikipedia...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...without_E-M34)
    Yeah, I've seen that and read from other people about E-M123*. So far it seems most are found in Portugal and Germany, but they also found a couple of others in Italy, Bulgaria and one in Moldova. There are two from Lebanon who are from a subclade with a TMRCA of just 950 years, so it's probably not the European branch.
    FTDNA also lists a French, a Canadian and a Brazilian (who is PF4428, probably the same as me), besides my latin American matches and the sole Norwegian.

    It's a wierd, old and rare haplogroup
    Last edited by Ruderico; 11-06-2018 at 12:26 PM.
    G25 Hidden Content and Hidden Content distances
    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content

    DEIBABOR
    IGO
    DEIBOBOR
    VISSAIEIGO
    BOR

  2. #122
    Registered Users
    Posts
    331
    Sex
    Location
    Netherlands
    Ethnicity
    Celtic Iberian Jew?
    Nationality
    Spanish
    Y-DNA
    R-Y22889
    mtDNA
    H3-T152C!

    Spain Andalucia Spanish Empire (1506-1701)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post

    It's a wierd, old and rare haplogroup
    As old as the Epipalaeolithic it seems.
    Do you have a question or topic about genetics in Spain and/or prefer to use Spanish language? Visit the new subforum!

    Hidden Content

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to Shadogowah For This Useful Post:

     Ruderico (11-06-2018)

  4. #123
    Registered Users
    Posts
    857
    Sex
    Location
    Lisbon, Portugal
    Ethnicity
    Western Meseta Iberian
    Nationality
    Portuguese
    Y-DNA
    E-Y31991 > PF4428
    mtDNA
    H20

    Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadogowah View Post
    As old as the Epipalaeolithic it seems.
    My haplogroup E-123* (or E-123>Y31991) was actually found on a Scythian sample from 800-750BC in northeast Kazakhstan. It was published in "137 ancient human genomes from across the Eurasian steppes" as DA19. It is the only ancient sample positive for this subclade so far. The fact that it is so rare today makes me think we still have to wait for quite a while until we find another one.

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map.../51.259/78.053


    It might have arrived with the Alans, or it might be way older than that in Iberia. But at least now we have something
    G25 Hidden Content and Hidden Content distances
    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content

    DEIBABOR
    IGO
    DEIBOBOR
    VISSAIEIGO
    BOR

  5. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Ruderico For This Useful Post:

     RCO (12-03-2018),  Webb (12-03-2018)

  6. #124
    Registered Users
    Posts
    23
    Sex
    Location
    Strange Land
    Ethnicity
    Stranger
    Y-DNA
    E-Z16242
    mtDNA
    D1

    Brazil
    Gostaria que houvesse um estudo sobre o E-V13s de Portugual, é uma clade minoritária e é por vezes ignorada. A minha em particular tem sido hipotisada ter sido trazida pelos romanos. O E-Z16242 junto com E-L17 foram depois para a Inglaterra. Sou Z16242 mas negativo a L1019, esta ultima é presente em ingleses e americanos de origem inglesa.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z16242/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L17/
    Haplogroups:

    Paternal
    Z16242 > Z5018 > E-V13
    (Z2162-, BY5253-, L1019-)
    Southern Brazil > São Paulo > Portugal


    Maternal:
    D1 > D4 > D
    Northeastern Brazil > Indigenous American> Bering Strait/Asia

  7. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Kaipiro For This Useful Post:

     galon07 (01-06-2019),  RCO (12-11-2018),  Ruderico (12-10-2018)

  8. #125
    Registered Users
    Posts
    857
    Sex
    Location
    Lisbon, Portugal
    Ethnicity
    Western Meseta Iberian
    Nationality
    Portuguese
    Y-DNA
    E-Y31991 > PF4428
    mtDNA
    H20

    Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaipiro View Post
    Gostaria que houvesse um estudo sobre o E-V13s de Portugual, é uma clade minoritária e é por vezes ignorada. A minha em particular tem sido hipotisada ter sido trazida pelos romanos. O E-Z16242 junto com E-L17 foram depois para a Inglaterra. Sou Z16242 mas negativo a L1019, esta ultima é presente em ingleses e americanos de origem inglesa.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z16242/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L17/
    Para isso mais vale ir consultando o yfull ou os grupos do FTDNA, duvido que se vá fazer um estudo sobre E-V13 em Portugal
    G25 Hidden Content and Hidden Content distances
    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content
    Hidden Content

    DEIBABOR
    IGO
    DEIBOBOR
    VISSAIEIGO
    BOR

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to Ruderico For This Useful Post:

     Kaipiro (12-10-2018)

Page 13 of 13 FirstFirst ... 3111213

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •