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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadogowah View Post
    Trying to post a link from wikipedia...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...without_E-M34)
    Yeah, I've seen that and read from other people about E-M123*. So far it seems most are found in Portugal and Germany, but they also found a couple of others in Italy, Bulgaria and one in Moldova. There are two from Lebanon who are from a subclade with a TMRCA of just 950 years, so it's probably not the European branch.
    FTDNA also lists a French, a Canadian and a Brazilian (who is PF4428, probably the same as me), besides my latin American matches and the sole Norwegian.

    It's a wierd, old and rare haplogroup
    Last edited by Ruderico; 11-06-2018 at 12:26 PM.
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>E-Y134097>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post

    It's a wierd, old and rare haplogroup
    As old as the Epipalaeolithic it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadogowah View Post
    As old as the Epipalaeolithic it seems.
    My haplogroup E-123* (or E-123>Y31991) was actually found on a Scythian sample from 800-750BC in northeast Kazakhstan. It was published in "137 ancient human genomes from across the Eurasian steppes" as DA19. It is the only ancient sample positive for this subclade so far. The fact that it is so rare today makes me think we still have to wait for quite a while until we find another one.

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map.../51.259/78.053


    It might have arrived with the Alans, or it might be way older than that in Iberia. But at least now we have something
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>E-Y134097>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Gostaria que houvesse um estudo sobre o E-V13s de Portugual, é uma clade minoritária e é por vezes ignorada. A minha em particular tem sido hipotisada ter sido trazida pelos romanos. O E-Z16242 junto com E-L17 foram depois para a Inglaterra. Sou Z16242 mas negativo a L1019, esta ultima é presente em ingleses e americanos de origem inglesa.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z16242/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L17/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaipiro View Post
    Gostaria que houvesse um estudo sobre o E-V13s de Portugual, é uma clade minoritária e é por vezes ignorada. A minha em particular tem sido hipotisada ter sido trazida pelos romanos. O E-Z16242 junto com E-L17 foram depois para a Inglaterra. Sou Z16242 mas negativo a L1019, esta ultima é presente em ingleses e americanos de origem inglesa.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z16242/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L17/
    Para isso mais vale ir consultando o yfull ou os grupos do FTDNA, duvido que se vá fazer um estudo sobre E-V13 em Portugal
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>E-Y134097>E-Y168273 (probably Scythian-Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Olá, boa noite

    Anthrogenica ganhou mais um user tuga.

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    Boa noite e bem-vindo

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    Bem-vindo Endovelicus e já agora também penso que estarei mais por aqui do que em sítios não apreciadores de caretos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusitano View Post
    Boa noite e bem-vindo

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    obrigado, eu já sabia que eras o Mr Mascarenhas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Vicente View Post
    Bem-vindo Endovelicus e já agora também penso que estarei mais por aqui do que em sítios não apreciadores de caretos.
    Obrigado

    Ah também és frequentador desse sítio!?

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