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    This is external eyefold (on outer corner of the eye), complete opposite of internal, epicanthic fold. Also called Nordic fold because common in Scandinavians.

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    I noticed some Lithuanians have legit epicanthic folds. Why? Russians too but their case is understandable given their close connection to many Asiatic groups.

    Hell, even my own mother had one as do I(though its hardly noticeable).

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    I really mean epicanthic fold (interior corner).

    By the way, to those who read the Bavarian paper in the Ancient DNA part of the forum, note the presence of East Asian ancestry in some samples.

    Deformed skull are known in a large part of North Western Europe at the time (at least from Crimea to Normandy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    I really mean epicanthic fold (interior corner).

    By the way, to those who read the Bavarian paper in the Ancient DNA part of the forum, note the presence of East Asian ancestry in some samples.

    Deformed skull are known in a large part of North Western Europe at the time (at least from Crimea to Normandy).
    The new paper on Bavarian Huns is interesting in this context. GŁnther Beckstein, bavarian politician, comes to mind.

     

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    I think I asked a similar question some time ago because I have it to a degree.
    At the time I was speculating on possible Hun ancestry which I now know to be improbable. However I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is related to Steppe influence somewhere way back. I tend to consistently get minor "Asian" percentages even around 1% Arctic Amerindian/Native American ( I'm British)
    I have good reasons to believe early paternal origins were probably in Scandinavia. Some tests give me substantial Scandinavian and Finnish.

    "In addition to Asians and eastern subarctic and arctic Eurasians, some native American peoples (especially those of Middle America and some populations in South American lowland areas), the Capoid local race of southern Africa, and some of the composite racial groups of Pacific island peoples have high incidence of developed epicanthic folds. The fold occurs less frequently in Southeast Asian populations and in North American Indian groups but occurs occasionally in some European groups, for example in some Scandinavians and Poles.

    While epicanthic folds occur more frequently in Asiatic groups and those peoples genetically linked to Asia, its presence is not universal in these peoples and it occurs less frequently in other groups. The incidence of epicanthic folds varies widely among the nine major geographic races and their local races. "

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/medicin...picanthic-fold

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    I think I have seen it more than once among Limburgers for some reason; I don't think they had recent Asian admixture (Huns? Alans?). Also indeed among some Flemish, Germans and Scandinavians I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    I think I have seen it more than once among Limburgers for some reason; I don't think they had recent Asian admixture (Huns? Alans?). Also indeed among some Flemish, Germans and Scandinavians I know.
    Ok guys post photo of Western European with such supposed fold. I'm sure it will be external or median eyefold.

    True epicanthus hides this red corner of the eye.

    On the left epicanthus. On the right after plastic surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    I've observed many times around me that some North Western Europeans have what's look like epicanthic gold (as my father and his grandmother, from a picture).
    In Flanders is quite common (as in other parts of Low Countries) and as in some parts of Germany. I've found that it is also quite common in Scandinavia.

    Do other people have seen the same?
    Dad has almond eyes upturned at the outsides, not really any folds, though.
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    IMO it's a legacy of the ANE/Siberian side of the Indo-Europeans.

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