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    I think there's still confusion about an actual Epicanthic Fold-which is almost exclusively East Asian and an outer eyelid fold which isn't. LukaszM nailed IMO; apart from the odd case of recent E.Asian ancestry, there is no 'Epicanthic Fold' in NW Europeans.

    It's confused with an outer eyelid fold (Günther Beckstein) which is another story and is fairly common.

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    again, I'm talking about Inner, not Outer.

    Both can be found, but Outer is clearly more common.

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    Around the North Sea, for Britain and Low Countries, it's probably linked to Scandinavian ancestry (often found at relativily high levels in Scotland, Ireland, some parts of Britain and Low Countries), given that Sami and their descendant can have inherited this trait:

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    Among celebrities, Taylor Swift is also a good example:

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    OK, I think Lukasz is right, I have to look carefully. In that case, I have only seen the internal epenthetic fold in a Norwegian. Still, other types of folds like that Bavarian, do give some NW Europeans an "East Asian" look.

    Difficult to note famous examples. I thought about maybe actor Martin Shaw. Or is that too a different setting of the eye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    Among celebrities, Taylor Swift is also a good example:

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    nope. You mess few different things which aren't epicanthic fold.

    First eyes with upturned outer corner. Like in this photo.

    Second median eyefols (which covers central and internal lid but not hides internal eye corner.) It is pretty commmon in Poland for example where treu epicanthus is below 1% according to anthro surveys.

    None of your examples is showing epicanthus.

    European eyes with folds (but not epicanthus)



    Examples of different folds and epicanthus


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    Yes, eyefolds are very common in Northern Euros, but they're almost always external, as Lukasz has said.

    The exquisite Catherine Zeta Jones (Welsh-Irish, so a northern Euro) seemed to have a lot of fat around her eyes when she was very young, but none of it covered her inner eye and it looks like she lost it when she got older...

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    Anyway, true epicanthus in NW Euros is very rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    nope. You mess few different things which aren't epicanthic fold.

    First eyes with upturned outer corner. Like in this photo.

    Second median eyefols (which covers central and internal lid but not hides internal eye corner.) It is pretty commmon in Poland for example where treu epicanthus is below 1% according to anthro surveys.

    None of your examples is showing epicanthus.

    European eyes with folds (but not epicanthus)



    Examples of different folds and epicanthus

    When I was young.

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    More recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitbluee View Post
    i want to join your fat eye lid gang :d

    Good example of Eastern-Euro style (I know she is English but such eyes are rather uncommon there) median eyefolds, hanging over lids. But still inner eye corner is not hidden by anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    nope. You mess few different things which aren't epicanthic fold.

    First eyes with upturned outer corner. Like in this photo.

    Second median eyefols (which covers central and internal lid but not hides internal eye corner.) It is pretty commmon in Poland for example where treu epicanthus is below 1% according to anthro surveys.

    None of your examples is showing epicanthus.

    European eyes with folds (but not epicanthus)



    Examples of different folds and epicanthus

    I'm sorry, but you're wrong. It's clear that Björk has eyes c) or f) (as for the Sami).

    By the way, I had lunch yesterday with one of my colleague, and she has clearly an inner fold covering the inner pink of her eyes (and she's French Flemish).

    Again, I'm speaking of inner fold, not external, and the European eyes (with external fold) you posted are not what I have in mind. They are indeed extremely frequent.

    But it's saying something interesting: inner fold could be more specific to some areas bordering the North Sea than an overall trait among all NW Europeans. As the NW Europeans I saw were mostly from Low Countries (obviously).

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