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Thread: Origin and Distribution of L1c-M357

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    R1a1a is one of the dominant haplogroups in Northern South Asia. It is also much more frequent in South Asia and South Central Asia than Iran.

    See here:

    Yea. He doesn't have anything to support his argument. I had no idea why he brought it up anyways. Even that West Asian peak of R1a is in Upper Mesopotamia and the Armenian highlands not the Iranian plateau.

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    Any ideas yet about the possible origin of L1c-M357? I was struck by the frequency among Jatts and the Popalzai Pashtun (it appears the Sadozai progenitor, Sadu Khan of the 16th century, was likely L1c-M357). Can anyone estimate the MRCA between the two strains of L1c from the data in the FTDNA projects?
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494) (FTDNA Kit 311047), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29) (FTDNA Kit 329181))

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    I wonder how L1c entered the Caucasus, Tarim, Russia, North Central Asia and Europe?

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    Updated the spreadsheet with Alizai, Khattak, Khakwani individuals who are also L1c
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494) (FTDNA Kit 311047), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29) (FTDNA Kit 329181))

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    ^ Correction, they're predicted L/L1c so I changed them to just "L" and added a few more Sadozai L individuals.
    Paternal - Y-DNA: J2b2* (J-M241) Z2432+ Z2433+ Y978+ (J2b2a2b1*) (Hidden Content ) (YFull: YF02959) (FTDNA Kit B6225), mtDNA: M18a* (FTDNA Kit 329180) (YFull: YF63773)
    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494) (FTDNA Kit 311047), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29) (FTDNA Kit 329181))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_McNinja View Post
    Updated the spreadsheet with Alizai, Khattak, Khakwani individuals who are also L1c
    Hi Dr_McNinja. What spreadsheet are you referring to?

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    Maternal- Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2d5a* L657+ Y7+ (R-Y16494) (FTDNA Kit 311047), mtDNA: Hidden Content (FTDNA Kit B6225) (YFull: YF02959) (Mother's Mother's Father: R1a1a1b2a1a2c2* Y7+ Y29+ (R-Y29) (FTDNA Kit 329181))

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    What does everything about on the origin of L? I think L1a and L1c are local South and South-Central Asian clades. It makes sense to see L1b as the Western extension of L. I think there is a concentration of L2 in NE Europe so a Central Asian or South Central Asian origin for L might explain that.

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    The Geno 2.0 L-M357 results comes from varied backgrounds .So far five results out there
    1-Syrian Christian from kerala
    1-Maldivian
    1-Hui Chinese
    1-Vaishnav Brahmin from Karnataka
    1-Chechen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    Hi BMG. My mistake. It seems you're right about the Baloch. Although, apparently it's found at high frequencies among the Chechens? I wonder how that's possible. Also, is L1a found deeper in the subcontinent as well? Also, I agree about the bottleneck. I'm sharing it with 5 members of my ethnoreligious group.
    There is a person on forumbiodiversity who claims to have some knowledge of how that happened. Apparently (it is very difficult to understand) a chief escaped India-Afghanistan area after his family and tribe were killed and came to Akka, Chechnya. According to this tale his brother was killed in Sikkim!

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