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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    And as if by magic : )

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...52589638126969

    55 Ancient Eurasian Steppe selected Y haplogroups

    Of course without the paper the results are of limited value, don't think I can remember BAM file coiming out ahead of a paper before ?

    A population genomic history of the Eurasian steppe

    BTW for some odd reason the last link only seams to work with Firefox
    I noticed many J2 samples under L24, possibly part of the later Scythian graves? Only 1 U106 and 1 P312, possibly as far west as Hungary if we consider this "steppes" without any grave contexts. Lots of east Eurasian groups among the 55 Y samples.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Duplicate.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    I noticed many J2 samples under L24, possibly part of the later Scythian graves? Only 1 U106 and 1 P312, possibly as far west as Hungary if we consider this "steppes" without any grave contexts. Lots of east Eurasian groups among the 55 Y samples.
    Yep, probably going to be from the Western edge but you never know.

    P312 one looks to be L2 and the U106 fellow L47

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    And as if by magic : )

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...52589638126969

    55 Ancient Eurasian Steppe selected Y haplogroups

    Of course without the paper the results are of limited value, don't think I can remember BAM file coming out ahead of a paper before ?

    A population genomic history of the Eurasian steppe

    BTW for some odd reason the last link only seems to work with Firefox
    DA-65 - E-V22 thats a son of e-m78
    DA19- E-Y31991 thats e-m123* without e-m34 mutation only 2 E
    better than nothing lol

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    i want to see genetiker anlaysis of this
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    I am very much so looking forward to the ancient Eurasian Steppe paper coming out. Hopefully it comes out soon.

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    only now i realize that those samples which we now have there y calls
    are from the east scytian paper ....
    first i thought they are from the recent south central asia paper
    so thats why i was shocked that there are only 2 E .......
    but now it is look logical
    would have been helpfull to know who are those 2 E scytians sarmatians who know ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    only now i realize that those samples which we now have there y calls are from the east scytian paper ....
    What makes you think this ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    What makes you think this ?
    my mistake
    they are probably from this paper https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ation-genetics

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Interesting, Alan mentioning an idea the other day that stone wrist guards could have been knife fighting paraphernalia.
    I remain a little skeptical. If they were guards against cuts, they’d be on both wrists. I had also seen an opinion that they might be for sharpening knives, but someone would have detected cut marks. Also, as someone who’s sharpened knives, I wouldn’t want to sharpen a knife anywhere near my wrists. I still think they were likely for bow string protection, or a ceremonial imitation of the like.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    my mistake
    they are probably from this paper https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ation-genetics
    This is a link to where the data came from with an abstract for the missing paper, most odd : )

    A population genomic history of the Eurasian steppe

    For some reason or other this site only works properly with Firefox AFAICT

    The Eurasian steppe, stretching about 8000 kilometres from Hungary and Romania in the west to Mongolia and western China in the east, is culturally among the most dynamic areas in the world. In the past four millennia, it has been variously dominated by Iranian-, Turkic- and Mongolic-speaking groups, and its temperate grasslands have been a crossroad for extensive movements of peoples, goods, and ideas between Europe, Siberia, South and East Asia. In order to understand the genetic history of the Eurasian steppe populations, we have sequenced 137 ancient genomes (~1X average coverage) spanning a 4000 years time series. We also genotyped 502 individuals from 16 contemporary self-reported ethnicities. We find evidence of a highly dynamic population history; the Iranian-speaking Scythians that dominated the Eurasian steppe throughout the Iron Age (~1 millennium BCE to common era) emerged following admixture between Late Bronze Age herders of western Eurasian descent and East Asian hunter-gatherers. The steppe nomads later further admixed with Turkic-speaking groups of East Asian ancestry that spread westward across the steppe in multiple waves: firstly, the Xiongnu confederations that emerged in Mongolia around the 3nd/2nd century BC; secondly, the Huns (4-5th century CE), infected with plague basal to the Justinian Y. pestis strain that destabilized the eastern Roman Empire in the 6th century CE; and thirdly during various short term dynasties, including the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan and his descendants. These recent historical events transformed the Eurasian steppe populations from being Indo-European speakers of largely western Eurasian ancestry to the present-day Turkic-speaking groups, primarily of East Asian ancestry.

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