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    Yes, VK327 is from Ribe, Jutland. I've plotted the ancient I1 samples that I'm aware of into Google Maps (including the most recent one you discovered) - link in my signature.
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    While not perhaps super interesting, I thought I would mention this. A while back in January in these posts https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post726990
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post740368

    I talked about a few samples from farmers and foragers in Germany that were included in a dissertation by Jens Blöcher who works for the Palaeogenetics Group at Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz. This one:
    https://openscience.ub.uni-mainz.de/...500.12030/3114
    https://d-nb.info/1209245647/34

    I sent him an email asking for the Y-DNA haplogroups of the individuals, which had not been included in the thesis. At the time, I felt that some Middle Neolithic cultures in Germany would be an appropriate place to look for I-M253 since that's a setting where you have HG-rich farming groups persisting for quite a long time. Sadly I sent this email from my old university email and we were given new ones right after that so I was no longer checking the inbox of my old one.

    I went ahead and checked the inbox of my old account a few days ago and noticed that Mr Blöcher had kindly responded, here is what he wrote:

    "sorry for the late reply. Attached is the list of Y-Hgs for the Blaetterhoehle Samples. The coverage is varying between the samples and, in addition, not all of the Y-chromosome was covered in our capture array. Therefore the resolution is not the greatest. Haplogroups were determined with yhaplo (https://github.com/23andMe/yhaplo), after calling all sites on the Y-chromosme with atlas, by picking the majority base, while ignoring the first and last two bases of each read."

    He attached this spreadsheet with the Y-DNA in it:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1869853142

    Google Drive will probably make you send a request to Jens for access to it so I took a screenshot just in case:
    Blätterhöhle.png


    Haplogroups of these Blätterhöhle people, the 11 samples ranged in age between 8652-3020 BC (page 10):

    Bla10: R-M343 (R1b)
    Bla15: T-CTS2611 (T1a1a)
    Bla17: R-M343 (R1b)
    Bla1: R-P224 (R)
    Bla28: P-P337 (P1)
    Bla45: I-P37.2 (I2a1)
    Bla59: R-M343 (R1b)
    Bla75: H-M2945 (H)

    Perhaps unsurprising, no I1 among them. The search for the needle in the haystack continues. Maybe it's time to look north again. I'm starting to wonder what would be found if they were to test late Pitted Ware skeletons from the mainland instead of just from Gotland, where all the current PWC Y-DNA is from. Oh well, time will tell. The Blätterhöhle samples were still worth having a look at in my opinion. In hindsight, I should probably have asked for Y-DNA from the samples from Kleinhadersdorf and Asparn-Schletz too. Just thought I'd report back on this.

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    Excellent following up Strider99.
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    Nice work Strider99!

    For those who aren’t following the Y700 thread this may be of interest:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post777949
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KolanGoyimski View Post
    That's a lot of R hg so early in Germany.
    Indeed. But then again, we already knew that there was some R1b in Baalberge as well as one R in Middle Neolithic Quedlinburg. I guess most, if not all of these subclades would have been replaced by later steppe lineages. Lipson (2017) also had a look at sample Bla28 and gave it a slightly deeper assignment than just P1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973800/
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    Interesting - it looks like YFull are analyzing SF11. I wouldn't have though the quality was good enough, but perhaps they are planning to use the SNPs he is negative for to break up the big I1 phylogenetic block. Need to click on the "live" view - doesn't appear on classic view.
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    Looks like there’s an Early Medieval sample in the new paper:

    The genetic origin of Daunians and the Pan-Mediterranean southern Italian Iron Age

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...498v1.full.pdf


    Besides the Ychr haplogroup R1b, which is the most frequent haplogroup during the Bronze Age in the Italian Peninsula and on the islands Sardinia and Sicily, we found the Ychr lineages I1-M253, I2d-M223, and J2b-M241. The haplogroup I2d-M223 was one of the main Y chromosome lineages in Western Europe until the Late Neolithic whereas J2b-M241 first appears in the Bronze Age. We found one Early Medieval individual (SGR001 (670 - 774) calCE (95.4%)) belonging to haplogroup I1-M253, which is common in Northern Europe and previously also detected in a 6th Century Langobard burial from North Italy.

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    SGR001 — San Giovanni Rotondo — Date 1285 ± 23 BP; 670 - 774 calCE — Haplogroups U3a - I1-M253 — Genome coverage 0.044 — # of SNPs 59,213

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    San Giovanni Rotondo The San Giovanni Rotondo samples come from the osteo-archaeological collection of the Museum of Anthropology of the University of Padova and are not associated to any further record with the exception of a broad “Iron Age” archaeological label and may be part of the samples brought to the Museum by Prof. Santo Tiné in the 1960s. From this site, samples of human remains (petrous bone=3) were taken. The samples SGR001, SGR002, and SGR003 were dated at 14CHRONO Centre for Climate, the Environment, and Chronology in Belfast, UK.

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    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Looks like there’s an Early Medieval sample in the new paper:

    The genetic origin of Daunians and the Pan-Mediterranean southern Italian Iron Age

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...498v1.full.pdf


    Besides the Ychr haplogroup R1b, which is the most frequent haplogroup during the Bronze Age in the Italian Peninsula and on the islands Sardinia and Sicily, we found the Ychr lineages I1-M253, I2d-M223, and J2b-M241. The haplogroup I2d-M223 was one of the main Y chromosome lineages in Western Europe until the Late Neolithic whereas J2b-M241 first appears in the Bronze Age. We found one Early Medieval individual (SGR001 (670 - 774) calCE (95.4%)) belonging to haplogroup I1-M253, which is common in Northern Europe and previously also detected in a 6th Century Langobard burial from North Italy.

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    SGR001 — San Giovanni Rotondo — Date 1285 ± 23 BP; 670 - 774 calCE — Haplogroups U3a - I1-M253 — Genome coverage 0.044 — # of SNPs 59,213

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    San Giovanni Rotondo The San Giovanni Rotondo samples come from the osteo-archaeological collection of the Museum of Anthropology of the University of Padova and are not associated to any further record with the exception of a broad “Iron Age” archaeological label and may be part of the samples brought to the Museum by Prof. Santo Tiné in the 1960s. From this site, samples of human remains (petrous bone=3) were taken. The samples SGR001, SGR002, and SGR003 were dated at 14CHRONO Centre for Climate, the Environment, and Chronology in Belfast, UK.

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    There were some I1 found on Sardinia in the Sardinia study years ago. They are listed on YFull as subclade branch I-YP5416. I branch apart from them with their parent subclade branch I-FGC24356. I wonder if they’re related to the I1 sample in this current study?
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    I-DF29: ool009 Skane, Sweden 1930-1750 BCE

    Z58, Z59, Z2041, Z2039, Z2040, Z382, FGC24333

    S26361: VK532 Zealand, Denmark 200-375 CE

    S16414, FGC24354, FGC24357, FGC24356, S10350

    FGC75802: VK446 Funen, Denmark 800-1050 CE

    Y125947, S21197, BY149414, BY188003, BY188570,

    FT213710 Belgium

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Looks like there’s an Early Medieval sample in the new paper:

    The genetic origin of Daunians and the Pan-Mediterranean southern Italian Iron Age

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...498v1.full.pdf


    Besides the Ychr haplogroup R1b, which is the most frequent haplogroup during the Bronze Age in the Italian Peninsula and on the islands Sardinia and Sicily, we found the Ychr lineages I1-M253, I2d-M223, and J2b-M241. The haplogroup I2d-M223 was one of the main Y chromosome lineages in Western Europe until the Late Neolithic whereas J2b-M241 first appears in the Bronze Age. We found one Early Medieval individual (SGR001 (670 - 774) calCE (95.4%)) belonging to haplogroup I1-M253, which is common in Northern Europe and previously also detected in a 6th Century Langobard burial from North Italy.

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    SGR001 — San Giovanni Rotondo — Date 1285 ± 23 BP; 670 - 774 calCE — Haplogroups U3a - I1-M253 — Genome coverage 0.044 — # of SNPs 59,213

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    San Giovanni Rotondo The San Giovanni Rotondo samples come from the osteo-archaeological collection of the Museum of Anthropology of the University of Padova and are not associated to any further record with the exception of a broad “Iron Age” archaeological label and may be part of the samples brought to the Museum by Prof. Santo Tiné in the 1960s. From this site, samples of human remains (petrous bone=3) were taken. The samples SGR001, SGR002, and SGR003 were dated at 14CHRONO Centre for Climate, the Environment, and Chronology in Belfast, UK.

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    Thanks for the info. The coverage appears to be pretty low at 0.044 which will probably limit what we can get from it - I anticipate lots of no calls. I can't take a look at it yet as I have a lot on at my workplace next week. The following week I'm off work so I may be able to look at it then.
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    I tried looking for the raw data on ENA but couldn't find it. The preprint says that the DNA sequences generated during this study are available at the European Nucleotide Archive but the accession number is not listed. Perhaps that will be updated when the preprint is published officially. In the meantime, added SGR001 to the ancient I1 map.
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