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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Thanks for that: very informative. I see they kick off on that new project with a nod to diversity, and a focus on Celtic Central Europe should end up ticking a few of those boxes as well as throwing up some interesting results for us. I guess the problem for the Germanic Migration Period in the west - at least inside the tribes themselves - is that the most "diversity" on offer is a little R1a among the I1 and U106.
    Indeed - I think that that project will definitely tick a few boxes. It also jogged my memory about this one from October about a Wellcome Trust grant awarded to Pontus Skoglund at the Francis Crick Institute in London - this should tick a few more boxes: https://www.crick.ac.uk/news/2019-10...e-21st-century
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    Indeed - I think that that project will definitely tick a few boxes. It also jogged my memory about this one from October about a Wellcome Trust grant awarded to Pontus Skoglund at the Francis Crick Institute in London - this should tick a few more boxes: https://www.crick.ac.uk/news/2019-10...e-21st-century
    Should be interesting!

    Hopefully we see that paper with the father and son Viking duo from Repton. It's been a long time since we first heard about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Should be interesting!

    Hopefully we see that paper with the father and son Viking duo from Repton. It's been a long time since we first heard about it.
    Thanks for the reminder. Knut and Co from Winchester should be coming our way too. Definitely a few I1 candidates there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    Indeed - I think that that project will definitely tick a few boxes. It also jogged my memory about this one from October about a Wellcome Trust grant awarded to Pontus Skoglund at the Francis Crick Institute in London - this should tick a few more boxes: https://www.crick.ac.uk/news/2019-10...e-21st-century
    This study will hopefully shed some light on which I1 subclades were Migration Period vs Viking Age. Maybe some Iron Age I1 will pop up in the British Isles too which would be a fascinating find.
    I1 (3200 BC - 2000 BC) Battle Axe Culture >
    DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > Z2041 > Z2040 >
    Z382 (1800 BC - 900 BC) Nordic Bronze Age >
    S26361 > S16414 > FGC24354 >
    FGC24357 (500 BC - 300 AD) Nordic Iron Age >
    FGC24356 > S10350 > FGC75802 >
    Y125947 Lübeck, Germany >
    S21197 Ireland > BY149414 Scotland >
    BY188003 (1544 AD - 1875 AD) >
    BY188570 (Jean Wauthy 1908 AD) Belgium

    YFull id: YF15884

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    This study will hopefully shed some light on which I1 subclades were Migration Period vs Viking Age. Maybe some Iron Age I1 will pop up in the British Isles too which would be a fascinating find.
    Yeah, here's hoping we get that sort of detail. That question is an old one and it would be nice to get a rather definitive answer, though I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that never gets answered!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    This study will hopefully shed some light on which I1 subclades were Migration Period vs Viking Age. Maybe some Iron Age I1 will pop up in the British Isles too which would be a fascinating find.
    My hunch is that it's unlikely that there will be such clear separation between the two - I think it's more likely that we find the same subclades in both and there will be considerable overlap so we won't get anything definitive. But we'll see - we can assess better if that's the case with more data - which will come out of this.
    Haplogroup I1 Ancient DNA Samples Map: Hidden Content

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    For someone new to this discussion it would help to have a brief summary at some point with links to important data. It’s very interesting but I can not digest 60 pages. Not a demand by any means!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RP48 View Post
    For someone new to this discussion it would help to have a brief summary at some point with links to important data. It’s very interesting but I can not digest 60 pages. Not a demand by any means!
    The best summary of aDNA data for I1 is deadly's Ancient DNA Samples Map. Just follow the link in his signature. The thread here is also worth digesting when you have time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    The best summary of aDNA data for I1 is deadly's Ancient DNA Samples Map. Just follow the link in his signature. The thread here is also worth digesting when you have time.
    I never noticed the link! Thank you!

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