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    Hi spruithean

    Thanks for the answer but my question is how I can have the best close STR with someone under S6402, better as another A6397

    Other surprise STR distant match – about 29 matchs
    But the most close distant match is downstream under S6402

    position 1
    495 tested – 31 diff ---------------- 0,063% - A6469 (Sweden) – under S6402

    position 4
    505 tested – 38 diff -------------------0,075% - Y18386 (Sweden) – under S6402

    position 6
    My same A6397 SNP is more far of STR distance match
    495 tested – 37 diff ------------------0,075% - A6397

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    Haplotype convergence, I have the same thing with people on I1 branches related to mine.
    Last edited by spruithean; 03-07-2019 at 03:58 PM.
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    Hi spruithean

    Thanks, this convengence can be confirmed by test SNP or if I am negative S6402 all under will be negative ?
    Because A6469 STR as the best close as A6397 very strange !
    Honestly I have 3 convergence under S6402.

    2 with A6469 - position 1 and 3
    1 with Y18386 - position 5

    Very strange
    Last edited by claudefrancis; 03-07-2019 at 04:34 PM.

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    Hi claudefrancis - could I politely ask you to continue your discussion of your own results in the thread that you created here https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....I1-M253-gt-Z58 rather than this thread so that we can keep the discussion in the current thread on topic with ancient I1? Thanks.

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    Sure sorry to create problem.

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    Not specifically about ancient I1, but a recent article discussing ancient DNA - some interesting statistics on the increased number of ancient sequenced samples over the last few years, the discovery that the inner ear is a rich source of ancient DNA: https://theconversation.com/ancient-..._6cxvsYdblAndc

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    Anglesqueville posted about a new report in the Ancient DNA Forum that comes from Current Biology concerning "Survival of Late Pleistocene Hunter-Gatherer Ancestry in the Iberian Peninsula" https://www.cell.com/current-biology...0145-9?rss=yes

    Skimming to the section on Y and mt haplogroups, the report states "BAL0051 could be assigned to haplogroup I1" although they don't mention how they have arrived at this conclusion - I've found the BAM file at ENA and I've downloaded it. I'll see what I can find.

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    Looking more like pre-I1 or I* so far rather than I1. Gone through 50 of the >300 SNPs that define the I1 haplogroup - so far two derived SNPs, five ancestral, 43 no calls. Sample from 1240K SNP capture assay rather than WGS. I'll keep going and see where we get to, but may take some time.

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    Interesting. I think we might find a fair bit of pre-I1 or I1-esque samples from this period and up until the actual TMRCA of I-M253 and perhaps I-DF29 and sibling clades. We already know R1b likely swamped all the other European haplogroups.
    Last edited by spruithean; 03-14-2019 at 06:34 PM.
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    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Interesting. I think we might find a fair bit of pre-I1 or I1-esque samples from this period and up until the actual TMRCA of I-M253 and perhaps I-DF29 and sibling clades. We already know R1b likely swamped all the other European haplogroups.
    Yep, the age of BAL051 listed in the supplementary data as 11095195; 10195255 for lab radiocarbon date, 11,384–10,733; 10,681–9,263 Cal BCE (2σ), 13,380–12,660; 12,830–10,990 Cal BP (2σ) which would put it a bit before the TMRCA of modern I1.

    At 100 SNPs, 4 derived, 11 ancestral so far.

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