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    Whereabouts is this I-L258 from? I guess we're still waiting for the Etruscan I1 too.

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    I do have a very boring post in progress. After BAL051 and Car1 turned out to pre-I1, I've been working through the 14 I samples (that were not assigned as I2) from the Olade et al 2019 Iberian paper. So far there is nothing to get excited about from a I1 perspective. Haven't finished yet, and I'll do a summary then.

    If the Viking preprint samples become available, that will shove everything else to the backburner and I'll concentrate on those. I anticipate that will keep me busy for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    Good to know - I'll keep an eye out for this paper and the associated data (which is where we can really dig into the weeds). As you say, wait and see.
    Sorry about that, the link I added seems to have timed out.

    Here’s a working version:

    https://edmond.mpdl.mpg.de/imeji/col...FcMTgRKNqe4Nzm


    Apparently there may be a fix needed, too.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post607257
    Last edited by JMcB; 10-04-2019 at 09:19 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Sorry about that, the link I added seems to have times out.

    Here’s a working version:

    https://edmond.mpdl.mpg.de/imeji/col...FcMTgRKNqe4Nzm
    I had downloaded those files yesterday but struggled to open them in formats that would allow me to read the data. Best I got was trying to open these with Notepad but it didn't tell me much. Best I could tell was the majority of these samples were very low coverage, so perhaps shouldn't expect much. However, any data is useful and we take what we can get
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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Whereabouts is this I-L258 from? I guess we're still waiting for the Etruscan I1 too.
    Supposedly, the Lech Valley in Austria.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    I had downloaded those files yesterday but struggled to open them in formats that would allow me to read the data. Best I got was trying to open these with Notepad but it didn't tell me much. Best I could tell was the majority of these samples were very low coverage, so perhaps shouldn't expect much. However, any data is useful and we take what we can get
    Just in case you missed my later edit above, there’s supposed to be a fix:

    Apparently there may be a fix needed, too.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post607257
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Whereabouts is this I-L258 from? I guess we're still waiting for the Etruscan I1 too.
    I'm currently filing the Etruscan I1 along with the ones from Zenczak 2017 poster samples, as well as the Repton double grave (although so far there zero evidence that those are actually I1). I guess sometimes the anticipation makes it worse. But patience is required for publishing - I know that only too well from my own papers. The Viking preprint appeared with perhaps a few days notice beforehand, so a nice surprise that wasn't on the radar (at least on my radar).
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    This I1a1 is from EBA Austria?
    For now it's still uncertain, but if there is an I1 Etruscan and I1a1 in EBA Austria that complicates the theory of all I1 in mainland Europe coming from Germanic migrations doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    This I1a1 is from EBA Austria?
    For now it's still uncertain, but if there is an I1 Etruscan and I1a1 in EBA Austria that complicates the theory of all I1 in mainland Europe coming from Germanic migrations doesn't it?
    I'd say wait for the data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    This I1a1 is from EBA Austria?
    For now it's still uncertain, but if there is an I1 Etruscan and I1a1 in EBA Austria that complicates the theory of all I1 in mainland Europe coming from Germanic migrations doesn't it?
    Besides deadly suggesting to wait for the data, because there could be errors, if it holds it could certainly be a wrench in the whole thing. I think the story for I1 is much more interesting and still needs to be fleshed out.

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