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    VK532 looks very promising:
    I-Z2041: 1 positive read
    I-Z2040: No reads
    I-Z382: No reads
    I-S26361: 1 positive read
    I-S18588 phyloequivalent of I-S26361: 2 positive reads
    Downstream Subclades: Negative reads
    I-DF29: ool009 Skane, Sweden 1930-1750 BCE

    Z58, Z59, Z2041, Z2040, Z382, FGC24333

    S26361: VK532 Zealand, Denmark 200-375 CE

    S16414, FGC24354, FGC24357, FGC24356, S10350

    FGC75802/BY19383: VK446 Funen, Denmark 800-1050 CE

    Y125947, S21197, BY149414, BY188003, BY188570

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    VK532 has been added to the YFull Haplotree at the I-S26361 subclade branch. Dating to 100 CE it’s nice seeing ancient evidence long before the Viking Age
    I-DF29: ool009 Skane, Sweden 1930-1750 BCE

    Z58, Z59, Z2041, Z2040, Z382, FGC24333

    S26361: VK532 Zealand, Denmark 200-375 CE

    S16414, FGC24354, FGC24357, FGC24356, S10350

    FGC75802/BY19383: VK446 Funen, Denmark 800-1050 CE

    Y125947, S21197, BY149414, BY188003, BY188570

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    VK532 has been added to the YFull Haplotree at the I-S26361 subclade branch. Dating to 100 CE it’s nice seeing ancient evidence long before the Viking Age
    That’s cool! You can follow the tree all the way down to you, yes? You’re at the bottom?

    I’m sure you’ve seen this already but it’s always nice to know the details. From Deadly’s map:

    Kragehave Ødetofter comprises settlements including 42 houses, 11 fence-structures and
    several wells were found dated to the later part of the Iron Age 3-8th century AD. Three inhumation graves were recovered, including this one - an old adult male (50+ years) with osteoarthritis in elbow joints, hips and vertebrae. Significant dental wear, AM loss and crowded teeth.

    VK532 Kragehave Odetofter XL718 IronAge_DA276 was reported I1a2a (corresponds to I-Z59) in preprint. No raw data available yet to confirm. Average sequencing depth 4.013x. Dated to the Late Roman Iron Age (C2/C3) (200-375AD).
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    FTDNA list has been updated further, and some of the I-Z140 samples included:

    VK337 at branch I-Z61 with comment possible Z140. YFull has this sample further downstream at I-A2094.

    VK357 at branch I-A5951, with comment shares 4 SNPs with a man from England. Forms a new branch down of I-A5952 (Z140). New branch = I-FT49567.

    VK363 at branch I-A1472, with comment shares 2 SNPs with a man from Switzerland. Forms a new branch down of I-A1472 (Z140). New branch = I-BY198083. I had him I-Y7278 due to a positive SNP for FGC64932 which is phyloequivalent to Y7278 on the YFull tree, while Y7278 itself is a no call in VK363. However, I-BY198083 is parallel to I-Y7278 on the FTDNA haplotree, so there will probably be a reorganization of SNPs around this level somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    That’s cool! You can follow the tree all the way down to you, yes? You’re at the bottom?

    I’m sure you’ve seen this already but it’s always nice to know the details. From Deadly’s map:

    Kragehave Ødetofter comprises settlements including 42 houses, 11 fence-structures and
    several wells were found dated to the later part of the Iron Age 3-8th century AD. Three inhumation graves were recovered, including this one - an old adult male (50+ years) with osteoarthritis in elbow joints, hips and vertebrae. Significant dental wear, AM loss and crowded teeth.

    VK532 Kragehave Odetofter XL718 IronAge_DA276 was reported I1a2a (corresponds to I-Z59) in preprint. No raw data available yet to confirm. Average sequencing depth 4.013x. Dated to the Late Roman Iron Age (C2/C3) (200-375AD).

    Yeah I’m the Belgian kit at the bottom of that YFull patrilineal line. I’m first generation American but can trace my patrilineal line to Belgium to the 1600s. There are family legends that we emigrated from England prior to Belgium but no real evidence to support that theory. Hoping to solve that mystery one day through more Y chromosome testing of Belgian and British men.

    Thanks for the additional details regarding VK532. I’m not sure why a different source mentioned 100 CE for him?
    I-DF29: ool009 Skane, Sweden 1930-1750 BCE

    Z58, Z59, Z2041, Z2040, Z382, FGC24333

    S26361: VK532 Zealand, Denmark 200-375 CE

    S16414, FGC24354, FGC24357, FGC24356, S10350

    FGC75802/BY19383: VK446 Funen, Denmark 800-1050 CE

    Y125947, S21197, BY149414, BY188003, BY188570

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    Yeah I’m the Belgian kit at the bottom of that YFull patrilineal line. I’m first generation American but can trace my patrilineal line to Belgium to the 1600s. There are family legends that we emigrated from England prior to Belgium but no real evidence to support that theory. Hoping to solve that mystery one day through more Y chromosome testing of Belgian and British men.

    Thanks for the additional details regarding VK532. I’m not sure why a different source mentioned 100 CE for him?
    That is neat that you're close to one of the ancient samples in the paper - congratulations. Most of the details that I added to the map come from the (very comprehensive and worth reading) supplementary information from the preprint. I haven't had a chance to go into the published paper and check if any of those details have been updated.

    I've been updating some of the samples from the map with some of my own digging into the I-Z140 samples and whatever has come out of the YFull and FTDNA analysis - although the map isn't fully up to date on everything and some of the YFull placements might change as analysis completes. It has allowed me to update some of the samples that were just labelled as I1 or I-DF29 in the preprint and paper to be put further downstream and place them into the I-Z58, I-Z2336 or I-Z63 buckets. I've also inferred some placements based on close patrilineal relatives such as the four brothers in the boat burial in Estonia at I-Y141089 and the second degree relatives (half brothers, uncle/nephew, grandfather, grandson) VK279 on the Danish Island of Funen and VK144 at St John's College Oxford (paper hypothesizes this grave to be victims of the St Brice's Day Massacre).

    Very much work in progress, but please anyone let me know if you find any mistakes in the map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadly77 View Post
    That is neat that you're close to one of the ancient samples in the paper - congratulations. Most of the details that I added to the map come from the (very comprehensive and worth reading) supplementary information from the preprint. I haven't had a chance to go into the published paper and check if any of those details have been updated.

    I've been updating some of the samples from the map with some of my own digging into the I-Z140 samples and whatever has come out of the YFull and FTDNA analysis - although the map isn't fully up to date on everything and some of the YFull placements might change as analysis completes. It has allowed me to update some of the samples that were just labelled as I1 or I-DF29 in the preprint and paper to be put further downstream and place them into the I-Z58, I-Z2336 or I-Z63 buckets. I've also inferred some placements based on close patrilineal relatives such as the four brothers in the boat burial in Estonia at I-Y141089 and the second degree relatives (half brothers, uncle/nephew, grandfather, grandson) VK279 on the Danish Island of Funen and VK144 at St John's College Oxford (paper hypothesizes this grave to be victims of the St Brice's Day Massacre).

    Very much work in progress, but please anyone let me know if you find any mistakes in the map.

    I did notice that your entry for VK532 actually had more information than the Supplemental’s entry. With more details about his skeletal condition. Which I thought made it more interesting. I figured you found it in the Osteoarcheology section and combined the two.

    In one sentence there was an insertion of the number 537. Perhaps, a previous footnote reference?

    Kragehave Ødetofter comprises settlements including 42 houses, 11 fence-structures and 537 several wells were found dated to the later part of the Iron Age 3-8th century AD.
    Last edited by JMcB; 09-21-2020 at 11:44 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    These DNA results are especially meaningful to me. Like the Cx161 sample, my patrilineal line is also S5619 with a terminal SNP of FGC3459. I would have never guessed that my paternal ancestor lived in southern France. I always thought my paternal line was more northwest Germanic. Very cool!

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    I remembered doing this in college, gives me so much headache

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    Deadly77 I noticed on your map that there is only one British I1 ancient dna sample prior to the Viking Age thus far. Is this because there are few ancient dna samples overall thus far between the Migration Period and the Viking Age in areas where especially the Angles settled, or is because the Angles probably didn’t carry much I1 which is more of a Viking phenomenon? Are you aware of any upcoming British studies that might try to differentiate between the Angles and the Danelaw in regards to ancient dna?
    I-DF29: ool009 Skane, Sweden 1930-1750 BCE

    Z58, Z59, Z2041, Z2040, Z382, FGC24333

    S26361: VK532 Zealand, Denmark 200-375 CE

    S16414, FGC24354, FGC24357, FGC24356, S10350

    FGC75802/BY19383: VK446 Funen, Denmark 800-1050 CE

    Y125947, S21197, BY149414, BY188003, BY188570

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