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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Remember the results from the 7th century Frankish burial at Ergolding in Bavaria a few years ago?

    Unfortunately, that was before ancient NGS testing. They got some y-dna STR's. The guys buried in one part of the cave with weapons and chain mail (I'm working from memory here) had U106-looking haplotypes. There were one or two weaponless burials in another part that looked like G2a, as I recall.

    It would be nice if they could go back and NGS test those samples.
    Yes Rms2 I remember this and actually recently looked at it and concur the STRs at least look possibly U106... I would love to see some of the newer testing done on these guys looking for newer SNPs...
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely Rhineland German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    For the Longobard samples - this is per Alex Williamson:

    I've taken a look at the 3 U106 samples and one DF27 sample which had full WGS sequencing. They all have great coverage and it's easy to work with them. There's not much that can be done with the others that had only targeted sequencing.

    SZ5 (SRR6703600) belongs here: R-M269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z198>ZS312>FGC39101>BY3195

    SZ2 (SRR6703603) belongs here: R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z30/S271>Z2>Z7>Z8>ZZ58

    SZ4 (SRR6703601) belongs here: R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z18>Z372/S375

    SZ11 (SRR6703599) belongs here: R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347>Z328>FGC10367>Z319>S1734>~2222759 2-T-A>FGC13489>hg38:20038474-A-C

    SZ5 split the BY3195 block I had. SZ4 may actually be negative for Z373/S495 but because it's within DYZ19 I wasn't 100% convinced. For SZ11, I had to create a new block downstream of FGC13489 as he shares a variant with BigY kit Cemin (N23903).
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    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely Rhineland German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    Samples at Szolad SZ16 and SZ23 were also U106+ and Z381+. Collegno cample CL84 was U106+ and Z381+ and kin to several northern European males who were only tested to the L151 or L52 (R1b M269?) level and could still be U106?

    Interesting difference between the Longobard and Bavarian samples is that the Longobards are Z381 - but are L48 and Z18 while some of the Bavarians (mixture of tribes?) are Z381, but appear Z156+. In the overall group of U106 L48 and Z156 have different distributions in modern U106 populations ;-).
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely Rhineland German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    For the Longobards autosomally SZ5 had some Southern European admixture? Listed 50-70% Northern European ancestry

    For SZ2, 4, 11, 16, and 23 they were listed as Greater than 70% Northern European ancestry.

    CL84 was listed as Greater than 70% NE ancestry along with his "kin" group. Attachment 22354
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely Rhineland German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Ah, okay. I was curious as to whether the results from Bavaria and elsewhere from these same time periods was overwhelmingly R-U106 or if there were any Germanic-speaking associated haplogroups found in the sites.
    The Bavarian guys seem to be a mixture of U106 (5 samples) and I1 (3 samples) and I2a (1 sample).

    AED249 is I1 L840
    STR486 is I1 L840
    STR241 is I1 L840

    STR491 is I2a - YP207/FGC8111/S2663/AM01263

    The Bim37 guy is G2a-S317/L497
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely Rhineland German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    So similar to the Longobard cemeteries in the sense that it's U106 with haplogroup I guys - though the Longobard cemeteries had some different haplogroups among the more Southern European autosomal samples... etc.

    All the Bavarian male samples seem to be very Northern European including the G2a guy - and in the graphic that displays their autosomal ancestry in the paper I think they mixed the sample STR491 and AED1119 up as it has AED1119 under the "male" label, but according to the grave lists AED1119 is a 30-45 year old female buried with Alamannic-Frankish grave goods and dated to 510-530 AD. I think it's meant to be STR491 for who we got a y-snp result for and he is listed in the grave list as a 60+ aged male.
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely Rhineland German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    You're doing good work on this, Bollox79. Thanks.

    Are you keeping a Google spreadsheet of ancient/medieval U106 results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    You're doing good work on this, Bollox79. Thanks.

    Are you keeping a Google spreadsheet of ancient/medieval U106 results?
    Thanks! I have a rough draft saved to note pad, but I'd like to make it more official with a google spreadsheet or something akin to that ;-). I might get cracking on that over the weekend - I usually work night shift, but have shifted to 4 10 hour days during the week for CDL classes - so a big swing in scheduling! I certainly plan on following up on the U106 Bavarian guys - bug Rich or Alex to at least take a look at ALH 1 who has a 12.8 gb BAM - or teach me how to look through the Fastq file for downstream SNPs etc... I'd like to learn how to do it so I don't have to bug them... I am assuming they are using a slightly more involved process than just running the BAM analysis kit (which seems to do OK for U106)...

    I'd like to come up with a spreadsheet that has info on the grave site, the samples and their SNPs, and their general descriptions (grave goods, age, etc). Also include their autosomal info - so eventually when we get more and more (hopefully as more papers come in!) we can keep track of it all and maybe some more patterns will emerge ;-).
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely Rhineland German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    You're doing good work on this, Bollox79. Thanks.

    Are you keeping a Google spreadsheet of ancient/medieval U106 results?
    I have developed a Google spreadsheet of Ancient/Medieval/Royal U106 results at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing You need to go to the last tab "Ancient/Medieval/Royal DNA to find the info.

    It is extensively hyperlinked to various papers & studies (including Bollox79's research).
    Gedmatch DNA: M032736 Gedcom: 6613110.
    Gedmatch Genesis: WH4547538
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    FWIW: Alex Williamson has re-analyzed the U106+ samples in the Veeramah 2018 paper http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/03/06/1719880115

    Most of the U106 samples used a capture technique, rather than shotgun, so much less (and spotty) coverage. However, one sample ALH_1 (believed to have been shotgun sequenced) yielded extensive SNP results. Alex was able to further refine his subclade to:
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