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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
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    Worth reading

    http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.co...rtos-runs.html

    @mike

    I can see it
    That flag of the Cross of Burgundy (we say Cross of San Andrs, not Iniesta), is important for a Spaniard. Viva la Lombardia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GASKA View Post
    1.- I don't know how many BB sites are available in other European countries, but for the number and quality of those in Spain, the samples analyzed are ridiculously scarce. So, first we will wait for the Reich samples, and then we will see the samples analyzed in Spain. I don't say that you wait, if for you it's enough, Ok, I only say that I prefer to be more cautious, because I know Iberian sites better than you.
    2.- Then Olalde speak about "non Iberian BB" and "Beaker outside Iberia", doesn't use the term KBB, truth?.
    3.- KBB are only R1b-P312, tall, brachycephalic, buried in mounds and with the complete kit of warriors? MAMMA MIA, surely in Iberia we will never find any. We are short, dolichocephalic, we bury ourselves were we can and for a long time we renounced our warrior spirit. No wonder you are in such a Hurry to differentiate the KBBs from the iberians. I have a curiosity, have you ever been in Spain?
    4.- When I have time, I will review ALL the samples analyzed by Olalde, one by one, in ALL the countries, to see how many meets your requirements. And for you to see, that I have good intentions, instead of the complete warrior kit, I'll settle for having some object related to BB culture to consider it a KBB (including, women and children). I say it because of the poverty of the German burials (total 4 cooper objects), and also because the objects may have dissapeared because of grave robbers.
    5.- My side is the truth and that is what we are looking for.
    The two statements in bold speak for yourself... I'm really astonished by your childish behaviour... we are speaking about samples of 5000 years ago and you take today Spaniards... I'm starting to think if you really can understand arguments suited for people who are at least older than 12 y.o.... but I reassure you: it seems you can't.

    The last bolded statement is great: I saw much more serious and humble drunken people than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GASKA View Post
    have you ever been in Spain?
    Whilst thinking of the stupidity of this question and contemplating a suitably sarcastic reply I looked down the table and noticed the Tio Pepe Fino En Rama I got today which made me smile, yeah hate Spain : )

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    We can star checking in Bavaria

    1.- Landau an der Isar- 9 inhumations (2 double graves, 2 cremations).
    RISE 562- Female, 12 bone buttons V perforations, cooper awl, 2 red painted bb, UNIQUE for Bavaria a thin recangular gold sheet.
    Grave3- Double grave (2 children)- 2 undecorated vessels.
    Grave 4- Adult woman- 2 undecorated vessels.
    Grave 5- adult female- single undecorated handled vessel
    Grave 7- Older adult woman- 8 v-drilled bone buttons, copper dagger, 3 undecorated vessels. Individual in grave 7 was born locally, while ALL others were migrants.

    Augsburg- BB field- 22 graves (one of the largest cementeries in Bavaria)-9 males 5 females 2 chldren, 2 indeterminated

    Grave 3- RISE560- Adult male, wristplate, 2 flint arrowheads, large red painted BB.
    Grave 4-9-10-13-22- Details for this graves are not available. Isotopes on bone and tooth samples from 17 individuals- Grave 3 was born locally, graves 4-9-10-13 were migrants.

    I don't want to bore you, but if you want we continue

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
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    Worth reading

    http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.co...rtos-runs.html

    @mike

    I can see it
    I mentioned in a prior post that I don't trust that. If one reads the comments below it, he can see that "Alberto" is a big buddy of Olympus Mons, the crank famous for the wild Shulaveri-Shomu idea. Both are on Davidski's Banned Commentators List.

    I doubt the results especially since, as I mentioned before, Olalde et al concluded that there was no discernible Iberia-related ancestry in Bell Beaker outside Iberia (page 4).

    So take "Alberto's Runs" for what that literally sounds like (some kind of diarrhea).
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I mentioned in a prior post that I don't trust that. If one reads the comments below it, he can see that "Alberto" is a big buddy of Olympus Mons, the crank famous for the wild Shulaveri-Shomu idea. Both are on Davidski's Banned Commentators List.

    I doubt the results especially since, as I mentioned before, Olalde et al concluded that there was no discernible Iberia-related ancestry in Bell Beaker outside Iberia (page 4).

    So take "Alberto's Runs" for what that literally sounds like (some kind of diarrhea).
    Banned from Eurogenes which says a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    So take "Alberto's Runs" for what that literally sounds like (some kind of diarrhea).
    I can't stop laughing))))))
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I mentioned in a prior post that I don't trust that. If one reads the comments below it, he can see that "Alberto" is a big buddy of Olympus Mons, the crank famous for the wild Shulaveri-Shomu idea. Both are on Davidski's Banned Commentators List.

    I doubt the results especially since, as I mentioned before, Olalde et al concluded that there was no discernible Iberia-related ancestry in Bell Beaker outside Iberia (page 4).

    So take "Alberto's Runs" for what that literally sounds like (some kind of diarrhea).
    The user Rob has been also banned on Eurogenes, isn't Rob the banned AG user Gravetto-Danubian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radboud View Post
    The user Rob has been also banned on Eurogenes, isn't Rob the banned AG user Gravetto-Danubian?
    I believe so.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by Radboud View Post
    The user Rob has been also banned on Eurogenes, isn't Rob the banned AG user Gravetto-Danubian?
    Most definitely.

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