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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    have to agree i get punch to the face every time a dna paper is comin out
    well done for all of you guys prediction
    Well, it's not conclusive yet. The sample falls into the timeframe of Natufians, so could be a Natufian lineage that mixed into that community. We need older samples. I really wanna see the analysis of the Ohalo specimen, as it preceeds the Kebaran.

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    Am I wrong in noticing that I8998, dated 1000-800 BC, from the Swat Protohistorical burials in Pakistan, is R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b2b1a2, which, according to ISOGG, is R1b-S21728, downstream of R1b-Z9, i.e., belonging to a U106 subclade?

    Anyway, the R1b1a1a2a1 part makes him not Z2103 but L51.

    Unless we can't use the current ISOGG tree for this paper.
     


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    mtDNA haplogroup J1c5 in Sintashta (sample I1029), I predicted this some time ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    I noticed last night that J1c1b1a was found both in Sintashta (RISE386 from Bulanovo) and in Corded Ware (I1539 from Esperstedt), this is interesting since Sintashta is thought to descend from the Abashevo culture which was part of the CW horizon on the forest steppe. So how is this relevant to J1c5 you might ask, well, it's relevant because we have two other CW samples from Esperstedt, I1538 and I1540, which were J1c5, these two individuals also carried Y-DNA haplogroup R1a, much like the aforementioned sample from Sintashta which was R1a-Z2125. At this stage, I'd say we're bound to find J1c5 in Sintashta and/or Andronovo, this would certainly explain J1c5's presence in the Indian subcontinent and in Siberia, so an association between J1c5 and CW is looking more and more plausible. In turn, J1c5's presence in a BB sample from Quedlinburg could be interpreted as either (1) the result of interaction between CW and BB or (2) J1c5 predating both CW and BB in the area.
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    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    If I am reading correctly, the "Indus-periphery" is an stand-in for IVC population. What is also curious is the statement that the authors have no access to IVC samples. My speculation is that there is a total breakdown of the relationships between the Indians and Reich's lab and Reich decided to bypass the Indians to publish the results using an IVC stand-in population.

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    Darra.I.Kur_d Afghanistan 2850-2460BCE R1b1a1a2a1a?!?! P311?!?

    MA1 R1b1a1a2.. no

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    Impressive paper confirming what many suspected about Indo-European languages, steppe ancestry and Y-DNA R1a-Z93 in South Asia, and adding some nuance (substructure in Andronovo).

    The DE, E1a and E1b1b findings in Pakistan ~3000 ybp are fascinating. I wonder if they are related to the spread of African crops (pearl millet and/or sorghum) into South Asia? The highly derived E1b1a in Mesolithic Iran and Bronze Age Turkmenistan look a bit off though. Some correspondence with the authors may be needed to clarify the haplogroup assignments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Am I wrong in noticing that I8998, dated 1000-800 BC, from the Swat Protohistorical burials in Pakistan, is R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b2b1a2, which, according to ISOGG, is R1b-S21728, downstream of R1b-Z9, i.e., belonging to a U106 subclade?

    Anyway, the R1b1a1a2a1 part makes him not Z2103 but L51.

    Unless we can't use the current ISOGG tree for this paper.
    Yeah. When I checked it's subclade, I was like what the hell? There must be a mistake. Perhaps it was a lost merchant from Northern Europe?

    What about this sample I2327 dated 5900-5500 BCE from Hajji_Firuz? Haplogroup assignment= R1b1a1a2a2.


    It's cool to see that samples from Ganj_Dareh_N are uniformly R2.

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    Very complicated , interestingly the IVC contributed to the BMAC but so much the other way. Western Siberians contribute seem to contribute a significant amount to many SC/S Asians. I wish bar graph highlighted Steppe ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillNotBeCensored View Post
    Darra.I.Kur_d Afghanistan 2850-2460BCE R1b1a1a2a1a?!?! P311?!?

    MA1 R1b1a1a2.. no
    I was just going to mention that.

    But they also have ZVEJ27 from Latvia (I4628) listed as R1b1a1a2a1 (L51), and in the original paper it was listed specifically as xR1b1a1a2a1.

    They have I5235 from the Iron Gates in Serbia, a Mesolithic HG, listed as R1b1a1a2a1a1b1a1a, which is R1b-S5741, well downstream of U106, even though I5235 was listed as xR1b1a1a, xR1b1a1a2 in the original paper.

    Something funky is going on.
    Last edited by rms2; 03-31-2018 at 06:55 PM.
     


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    Interesting, there is two Neolithic J2b's from Hajji Firuz (NW Iran), along with an R1b-M269?. They didn't report anything more specific, I wonder if they are just J2b*

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