Page 7 of 85 FirstFirst ... 567891757 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 848

Thread: Central and South Asian DNA Paper

  1. #61
    Registered Users
    Posts
    279
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    N1c1 CTS 12908
    mtDNA (M)
    H

    Finland
    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    So the ANE rich Central Asian ghost population indeed exists ie Siberian Hunter Gatherers, though I am wondering are these the mysterious Kelteminar people along the Eastern Caspian.
    West Siberian HG and for a reason. Siberia is a huge place and there were other type of people further in the East.

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Huck Finn For This Useful Post:

     Hando (04-01-2018)

  3. #62
    Moderator
    Posts
    1,670
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1a-Z93
    mtDNA (M)
    H28/W(M) : H1b5
    Y-DNA (M)
    Wife (P) : R1a-Z80

    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I wouldn't count on any of the y-dna haplogroup assignments in that spreadsheet, especially real oddballs like an I-M26 in Sintashta.

    I mean, maybe, but the thing is too error filled to rely on, especially for strange stuff like that.
    I2a in Sintashta makes sense (Sintashta is ultimately derived from Corded Ware/Middle Dnjepr culture) but i guess this subclade is wrong too. But U106 in ancient Swat would be the craziest result i have seen in ancient dna and if he were at least U106* it would be sound a bit believable but it must be an error if he belongs to a deep clade of U106
    Last edited by Coldmountains; 03-31-2018 at 09:31 PM.

  4. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Coldmountains For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-31-2018),  anglesqueville (03-31-2018),  Awale (04-01-2018),  ffoucart (04-01-2018),  Hando (04-01-2018),  Michał (04-02-2018),  Nasser (03-31-2018),  peternorth (04-01-2018),  rms2 (03-31-2018),  Ruderico (04-01-2018)

  5. #63
    Registered Users
    Posts
    281
    Sex

    Seems like yamnaya is a mix between khvalynsk+"Iran chalcolithic cline"(hajji firuz &/or seh gabi).
    So either hajji firuz or seh gabi, one of the two, must be the ones Reich wrote about who brought IE to the steppe from South of the caucaus.. They are the only ones having an arrow departing from the south, moving towards yamnaya.
    Hajji Firuz has 1 R1b-M269 & 2 J2b.

    So regarding the first IE speakers, i would say that R1b-M269 is by far the best contender so far, as they have now been found in alleged IE cultures both in the caucasus PIE source populations, and in the later IE speaking yamnayans.

    Im tempted to say the same about J2b2-L283 based on the 2 J2b samples, but better not speak too soon, until they publish them in better resolution. Then we can start theorizing about what those are too. If they turn out J2b-M241, that would explain a lot about why there is J2b-M241 in most modern IE speaking european countries. If not, it will bring more confusion than explanation.

    Its also interesting that the R1b-M269 and J2b's are buried in the same burial mound, so it seems they were close. (Although not closely related genetically, according to the paper. The 2 J2b are not closely related genetically either.)

    But now lets see first if the paper is an aprils fool. People seem to find some odd haplogroup assignments.
    Last edited by ernekar; 03-31-2018 at 10:57 PM.

  6. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ernekar For This Useful Post:

     caithne (04-08-2018),  Hando (04-01-2018),  Johane Derite (03-31-2018),  pegasus (03-31-2018)

  7. #64
    Banned
    Posts
    52
    Y-DNA (P)
    E-V13

    I2312_d K2a E1b1a1a1c2b1 Belt_Cave_Mesolithic_LC 12000-8000 BCE Iran

    Impressing. E1b1 in Mesolithic Iran.

  8. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Baws For This Useful Post:

     Hando (04-01-2018),  kingjohn (04-01-2018)

  9. #65
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    13,263
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-M269
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland

    Wink

    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    I2a in Sintashta makes sense (Sintashta is ultimately derived from Corded Ware/Middle Dnjepr culture) but i guess this subclade is wrong too. But U106 in ancient Swat would be the craziest result i have seen in ancient dna and if he were at least U106* it would be sound a bit believable but it must be an error if he belongs to a deep clade of U106
    I2a, yeah, but I-M26 doesn't seem right. But maybe the Sintashta guys got a hankering for stinky exotic cheese and imported a Sardinian cheese maker.

  10. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Coldmountains (03-31-2018),  Hando (04-01-2018),  peternorth (04-01-2018)

  11. #66
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    13,263
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-M269
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    . . .

    I don't think there are too many errors, because there is a clear division of the Y haplogroups. R1 seem linked with the steppe cultures, xR1 are not. Seems consistent overall.
    There are actually quite a few errors, and those call into question the rest of the y-dna haplogroup calls. How many of them are errors? We don't know yet.

    It's disappointing, really. I think they'll be out with a revised spreadsheet soon.
    Last edited by rms2; 03-31-2018 at 10:37 PM. Reason: Word omission

  12. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-31-2018),  ffoucart (04-01-2018),  Hando (04-01-2018),  MMerlin (04-01-2018),  Nasser (03-31-2018),  pegasus (03-31-2018),  peternorth (04-01-2018)

  13. #67
    Registered Users
    Posts
    418
    Sex
    Location
    U.S
    Nationality
    Indian
    Y-DNA (P)
    Z30522+
    mtDNA (M)
    C4a1a (T195C!)

    India United States of America Chola Empire India Maratha Empire
    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Finn View Post
    West Siberian HG and for a reason. Siberia is a huge place and there were other type of people further in the East.
    Not entirely surprising considering there is similar enough R1a and mtDna C in south Asia and the Ukraine area today. Central Asia has undergone tremendous changes since the neolithic.
    Paternal YDNA: G-P303+ -> G-Z30522+
    Paternal mtDNA: U7a3b1
    Maternal YDNA: R-Z2123+ -> R-YP526+
    Maternal mtDNA: C4a1 (T195C!)

  14. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to soulblighter For This Useful Post:

     Hando (04-01-2018),  SpinosaurusN3H1 (05-08-2018)

  15. #68
    Registered Users
    Posts
    2,724
    Ethnicity
    Pred.Anglo-Saxon + Briton
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b S21184, BY50830+
    mtDNA (M)
    U4b1a2 - FGS
    Y-DNA (M)
    ?
    mtDNA (P)
    I2

    Canada England Wales Netherlands France Cornwall
    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I2a, yeah, but I-M26 doesn't seem right. But maybe the Sintashta guys got a hankering for stinky exotic cheese and imported a Sardinian cheese maker.
    mtDNA U4b1a1 and U4b1a3 have turned up in Central Asian tribals upon recollection and might be relics from the west. Didn't I2-M26 turn up in Danubian farmers or a LBK related culture?
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    maternal-gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    maternal-gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

    other:
    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to ADW_1981 For This Useful Post:

     Hando (04-01-2018)

  17. #69
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    13,263
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-M269
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    mtDNA U4b1a1 and U4b1a3 have turned up in Central Asian tribals upon recollection and might be relics from the west. Didn't I2-M26 turn up in Danubian farmers or a LBK related culture?
    Re the Sardinian cheese maker: that was a joke based on Casu Marzu and the fact that I-M26 reaches its highest frequency in Sardinia.

    I know the two Neolithic skeletons recovered from the Dolmen of Pierre Fritte near Paris were I-M26.

  18. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     ffoucart (04-01-2018),  Hando (04-01-2018),  jdean (04-01-2018)

  19. #70
    Hajji Firuz at Z2103 level. Potentially pushing yfull to 30% under. We will see though.

  20. The Following User Says Thank You to WillNotBeCensored For This Useful Post:

     Hando (04-01-2018)

Page 7 of 85 FirstFirst ... 567891757 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 7832
    Last Post: Today, 02:16 PM
  2. Replies: 67
    Last Post: 11-10-2020, 06:16 AM
  3. Replies: 87
    Last Post: 10-09-2020, 07:43 AM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-11-2018, 03:14 AM
  5. In what world is Afghanistan Central or South Asian?
    By MyAnthropologies in forum Central
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 08-17-2016, 08:18 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •